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Subject: [Leica] R10 news
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat Nov 1 21:14:25 2008
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On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Jayanand I think that pretty much terminates my thread that started  
> asking
> who was excited about the comments from Maike Harbets on the coming  
> R10.

as the R10 doesn't exist yet, it is pie in the sky... we might as well  
wait...
>
> I don't see anything positive or useful in describing the Leica  
> enthusiasts
> here as cheerleaders, apologists, aging fans or the young fashion  
> conscious.
> Sorry to read that you and a dozen friends decided not to buy the M8

and this slice of the baloney is very old and very stale...

I like my M8, use it without filters, enough said,


Steve


> because
> you dislike the requirement for the UV/IR filter. It is very old  
> news now,
> of course. My lenses have them. Leica gave me two and I bought two  
> more.
> They work. I put them on and forget about them and get on with  
> enjoying the
> camera. I'm very surprised to read that you consider them a deal  
> breaker.
> You're missing out on a unique and superb tool.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
> Maike Harbets speaks on the S2. .... So we will drop down this  
> technology to
> our other systems.
> Our priority is to modernise the R system which will be in the end  
> an R10,
> definitely.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Leica] R10 news
>
> Steve,
> I agree absolutely - equipment does not matter at all. But it does  
> Leica no
> good to have cheerleaders who do not look at the negatives of their  
> approach
> - I think the final pressure on a company to change is always, in  
> the final
> analysis, applied by the customer. For example however good the M8  
> may be,
> and I have not used one so I dont know, the necessity to use IR  
> filters is a
> gigantic misstep, which a  company of Leica's size can ill afford.  
> However
> practically everyone on the list played apologist, and those who had  
> bought
> M8s went out of their way to say that it was no big deal. Well it  
> was - I
> would have definitely bought one but for this, and I have a dozen  
> friends
> who would have, too. Leica can ill afford to lose sales like this. I  
> still
> say that if a camera is so good, we would see professionals, who  
> make a
> living shooting photographs using it. It does Leica no good, in the  
> long
> run, at their prices, to target sales of a camera either to an aging  
> fan
> club, or to a younger generation as a fashion accessory.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>> I disagree - they are well on the way. Look at the new Nikon zooms -
>>> 14-24, 24-70 and the 200-400 - I have no experience with Canon.  
>>> Leica
>>> make great lenses, but don't sell many, and it wont change whatever
>>> happens. I am sure the Nikon D3 with the 200-400 would do wonders  
>>> for
>>> your bird photography.
>>> It
>>> makes no sense to be blind to the demerits of a brand - by all means
>>> shoot what you want, but keep your mind open to reality. IMHO the
>>> number of bird photographers using the DMR can be counted on the
>>> fingers of one hand, and there must be a reason for it - otherwise  
>>> it
>>> would be the equipment of choice for them.
>>>
>>
>> and somehow Jayanand (and I know you know this) we always seem to  
>> play
>> up the equipment here, as the be all and end all,
>>
>> forgetting other factors....
>>
>> like,
>>
>> it takes more than great equipment to take great pictures...
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is the benchmark, I dont see it used as such by any
>>> reviewer of cameras. Therefore in the real world, except for a few  
>>> of
>>> us in this list, who have the interest and the time, it is really
>>> irrelevant.
>>> BTW, the only magazine I saw the M8 recommended (as a must buy toy,
>>> like the
>>> Iphone) is Esquire or GQ, I forget which - if Leica has to survive  
>>> on
>>> sales to the general readership of those magazines, they are gone.  
>>> To
>>> most of the inhabitants of the world, cameras are discretionary
>>> purchases, and I expect sales to really go down everywhere with the
>>> present crisis, especially at the top end of the market. C,N & S  
>>> will
>>> survive that, but what about Leica?
>>> I will make a prediction that one of the Japanese companies,  
>>> probably
>>> Matsushita, will buy them within the next 3 years.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A. Lal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a chance to speak to Ms. Harbets  at the Leica booth at NY
>>>>>
>>>> Photo-Expo
>>>>
>>>>> last week. I'd be very surprised if the R 10 goes on sale before
>>>>> the next Photokina.  By then C, N and S will probably have 30 meg
>>>>> sensors in their top  bodies. Not sure what  Leica need to  
>>>>> compete.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C, N and S will need to revamp much of their lens lineup in order  
>>>> to
>>>> take advantage of 30MP sensors.  Early results from the 5DII  
>>>> suggest
>>>> that its sensor is overkill for many of the EF lenses.  Absent a
>>>> completely new set of lenses, C, N and S will do better to address
>>>> bit depth and DR deficiencies.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Herr
>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] R10 news)
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