Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/11/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > Jayanand I think that pretty much terminates my thread that started > asking > who was excited about the comments from Maike Harbets on the coming > R10. as the R10 doesn't exist yet, it is pie in the sky... we might as well wait... > > I don't see anything positive or useful in describing the Leica > enthusiasts > here as cheerleaders, apologists, aging fans or the young fashion > conscious. > Sorry to read that you and a dozen friends decided not to buy the M8 and this slice of the baloney is very old and very stale... I like my M8, use it without filters, enough said, Steve > because > you dislike the requirement for the UV/IR filter. It is very old > news now, > of course. My lenses have them. Leica gave me two and I bought two > more. > They work. I put them on and forget about them and get on with > enjoying the > camera. I'm very surprised to read that you consider them a deal > breaker. > You're missing out on a unique and superb tool. > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > Maike Harbets speaks on the S2. .... So we will drop down this > technology to > our other systems. > Our priority is to modernise the R system which will be in the end > an R10, > definitely. > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Leica] R10 news > > Steve, > I agree absolutely - equipment does not matter at all. But it does > Leica no > good to have cheerleaders who do not look at the negatives of their > approach > - I think the final pressure on a company to change is always, in > the final > analysis, applied by the customer. For example however good the M8 > may be, > and I have not used one so I dont know, the necessity to use IR > filters is a > gigantic misstep, which a company of Leica's size can ill afford. > However > practically everyone on the list played apologist, and those who had > bought > M8s went out of their way to say that it was no big deal. Well it > was - I > would have definitely bought one but for this, and I have a dozen > friends > who would have, too. Leica can ill afford to lose sales like this. I > still > say that if a camera is so good, we would see professionals, who > make a > living shooting photographs using it. It does Leica no good, in the > long > run, at their prices, to target sales of a camera either to an aging > fan > club, or to a younger generation as a fashion accessory. > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> > wrote: > >> >> On Nov 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: >> >> Doug, >>> I disagree - they are well on the way. Look at the new Nikon zooms - >>> 14-24, 24-70 and the 200-400 - I have no experience with Canon. >>> Leica >>> make great lenses, but don't sell many, and it wont change whatever >>> happens. I am sure the Nikon D3 with the 200-400 would do wonders >>> for >>> your bird photography. >>> It >>> makes no sense to be blind to the demerits of a brand - by all means >>> shoot what you want, but keep your mind open to reality. IMHO the >>> number of bird photographers using the DMR can be counted on the >>> fingers of one hand, and there must be a reason for it - otherwise >>> it >>> would be the equipment of choice for them. >>> >> >> and somehow Jayanand (and I know you know this) we always seem to >> play >> up the equipment here, as the be all and end all, >> >> forgetting other factors.... >> >> like, >> >> it takes more than great equipment to take great pictures... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> If it is the benchmark, I dont see it used as such by any >>> reviewer of cameras. Therefore in the real world, except for a few >>> of >>> us in this list, who have the interest and the time, it is really >>> irrelevant. >>> BTW, the only magazine I saw the M8 recommended (as a must buy toy, >>> like the >>> Iphone) is Esquire or GQ, I forget which - if Leica has to survive >>> on >>> sales to the general readership of those magazines, they are gone. >>> To >>> most of the inhabitants of the world, cameras are discretionary >>> purchases, and I expect sales to really go down everywhere with the >>> present crisis, especially at the top end of the market. C,N & S >>> will >>> survive that, but what about Leica? >>> I will make a prediction that one of the Japanese companies, >>> probably >>> Matsushita, will buy them within the next 3 years. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A. Lal wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a chance to speak to Ms. Harbets at the Leica booth at NY >>>>> >>>> Photo-Expo >>>> >>>>> last week. I'd be very surprised if the R 10 goes on sale before >>>>> the next Photokina. By then C, N and S will probably have 30 meg >>>>> sensors in their top bodies. Not sure what Leica need to >>>>> compete. >>>>> >>>> >>>> C, N and S will need to revamp much of their lens lineup in order >>>> to >>>> take advantage of 30MP sensors. Early results from the 5DII >>>> suggest >>>> that its sensor is overkill for many of the EF lenses. Absent a >>>> completely new set of lenses, C, N and S will do better to address >>>> bit depth and DR deficiencies. >>>> >>>> Doug Herr >>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information