Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/09/22

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Subject: [Leica] SLD ? BUYING NEW
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat Sep 22 16:00:07 2007
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On Sep 22, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Jerry Lehrer wrote:

> Jay,
>
> I'd like to make you understand my (and some others )position on new
> Leica gear.  I vouchsafe to say that over 90 percent of new Leica gear
> buyers are NOT members of the LUG.  They are not interested in "street
> photography" . they use their Leicas to take pictures of their  
> Bentleys or
> Lamborginis.They would never consider buying a second hand camera or
> lens.  They shoot pics of their Eclipse Minijets( they are not yet
> in the Gulfstream 5 class.) They do not take travel pictures, but some
> of them are birdists with their R9s and loooong teles mit extenders.
>
> I am talking about the Leica owners I have met in my town, La Jolla.


Jerry,

if La Jolla is an average town, then Paris is an average city...

and Grande Dame Veuve Cliquot is an average beverage...

:-)


Steve



> They buy Leica stuff new just to have it, not to help a struggling  
> company. They neither know nor care about the company as an economic
> entity
>
> Their used gear only hits the market when their estate sells it all.
> You would be astounded at the estate sale prices I have paid for  
> mint gear.
>
> Your country's Leica people may be different, but I doubt it.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> Ric Carter wrote:
>> I buy used by necessity.
>>
>> My used buying usually helps fuel new buying. Much of the used  
>> stuff moved on this list is likely to raise money for an upgrade  
>> or to help pay for new equipment.
>>
>> Should we call it trickle up?
>>
>> ric
>>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>>> Well, Sonny, if you decide that your photographic objectives are  
>>> best met by
>>> Leica, you better try keeping them solvent. I think it will get more
>>> difficult for them unless they move production to Asia. They  
>>> should do what
>>> Nvidia does, become a design house, and get others to manufacture  
>>> their
>>> products to whatever tolerances they want. In that case a lot  
>>> more money can
>>> go into R&D. As they are structured at present, and at their  
>>> size, it looks
>>> bleak IMHO. If the world economy does slide, they could be wiped  
>>> out.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>> On 9/20/07, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/20/07, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well thats nice to know. If we want Leica to survive, we should  
>>>>> buy more
>>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Um.  Innovation, competition, and good marketing practice will   
>>>> allow
>>>> Leica
>>>> to survive.
>>>>
>>>> Do I charitably purchase a $2000 lens that I do not need so that  
>>>> some
>>>> share-holders get a piece of it, and thus decide to invest further?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I buy the bits I need, like an M8 and batteries, and a  
>>>> grip.  That
>>>> was
>>>> not a purchase made  in hopes Leica survives.  These  things  
>>>> further my
>>>> photography.
>>>>
>>>> I truly believe Leica has seen the worst and wants to prevail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Sonny
>>>> http://www.sonc.com
>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>> USA
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>
>
>
>
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