[Leica] 24 x 36mm ?

[hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)]

Ted of course you are right saying that the difference is not likely to have 
a practical effect. I was very interested to see just
how precisely the 111c does index each frame with a miniscule gap between. 
Not so easy with the scissors though when it comes to
filing the negs.
What we should be discussing in great detail is just what type of whisky 
that Lew is indulging in. Not so sure about the peanuts.

Slainte
Hoppy

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
TED GRANT
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2007 10:36
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Subject: Re: RE: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?

Hopy said:
Subject: RE: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?

> Lew, in fact you are not going crazy. I see no problem with 
> spending a couple of minutes to satisfy curiosity either. Sorry 
> Ted, all
> knowledge is golden!<<<<<<<<<<

Hi Hoppy,
No argument! perfectly true.

However, if it were such that it was so large a difference it was affecting 
the results of the photograph, fine do a test. But this
action, curiosity or not, is really not worth the time of day.

Certainly as we see Lew's later comments, enjoying peanuts and good scotch! 
:-)And a wonderful new Leica image size that surely will
amaze the folks in Wetzlar! :-)

Not to mention the photographic folks of the world. :-) 

Hey Lew good on you lad as you've handled this hasseling from the old guy 
and others with a great attitude!:-)Besides you are not
alone if we all confessed to similar things over the years. ;-)

ted





> But then I've been told more than once by LUG folk that I am VERY 
> detail oriented ;-)
> 
> >From neg samples here, widths of:
> 111c Width 36.84 mm     distinctly much tighter spacing
> M3 36.78mm      gaps visibly not quite as narrow as 111c
> M6 & M7 35.6mm
> The difference between the three is easily visible at arm's 
> length. I might speculate that the standard has altered over the long
> period to allow for ease of handling, for example. Certainly the 
> oldest camera is extremely precise.
> 
> So, on these examples the range is actually more than 3.5%
> Naturally, commercial printing or scanning will crop some of the 
> image anyway. Slide mounting of course does so too.
> Traditional paper sizes vary in proportions as well. 
> Imperial paper proportions vary from metric. (for example Letter 
> vs A4) 
> Standard machine prints from digital P&S cameras crop off quite a 
> bit, film based machines always cropped some anyway.
> 
> Printing recently from scanned slides, I've arrived at 11" x 16" 
> on 13" x 19" paper as being very efficient use of the scanned file
> proportions. Scanners have their own constraints too, dependant on 
> film holder.
> 
> Cheers
> Hoppy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
> [mailto:lug- Subject: RE: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?
> 
> You're right; I'm getting the peanuts and Scotch as I write this. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+lew1716=optonline.net@leica-users.org
> Subject: Re: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?
> 
> Lew said:<lew1716@optonline.net>
> > I'm just off to my darkroom to confirm something that's been 
> bothering 
> > me for a while. The standard 35mm full frame format is supposed 
> to be 
> > 24 x 36mm or 1:1.5. This should mean that I can print full frame 
> at 
> > 6x9", but (this is the part that's bugging me...) the images 
> from my 
> > Leica negatives never quite fit an opening of this size on my 
> easel. 
> > The only thing I can think of to explain this is that the Leica 
> negs 
> > just aren't exactly 24x36mm.
> > OCD acknowledged, other comments ...?<<<<<<<
> 
> Hi Lew,
> My instant reaction is....... You've got way too much time on your 
> hands if you have to waste time doing this
> kind of stuff instead of out shooting or other fun things.
> 
> Did it ever occur to you the easal may not be correct? 
> 
> I've printed hundreds of thousands of leica frames and full frame 
> always seems to be 9X6 or so damn close who
> cares!
> 
> relax, have a drink and get of the house and shoot some very cool 
> stuff!
> ted
> 
> 
> 
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