Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/06/07

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Subject: [Leica] Compact Camera Conundrum
From: nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Thu Jun 7 09:02:37 2007
References: <DC4B73A4105FCE4FAE0CEF799BF84B36013F1E9A@case-email> <46643226.5020401@comcast.net> <aed41d690706040935sade9a5crf6f14d76b955b2d7@mail.gmail.com> <466444CF.5000908@gmx.de> <466792A8.2000306@nathanfoto.com> <440b792d0706062227s4e6f2056pc212113cc3d621e2@mail.gmail.com> <20070607143309.GA14891@panix.com>

That was exactly my point. I am sure the Sigma sensor is better than  
the GRD's, since it is so much bigger. But let's say that I am  
shooting in a situation where I need to set the GRD at f2.4 and ISO  
400 to obtain a handholdable shutter speed. With the Sigma, I would  
need to set an ISO of 1000 in the same conditions because the lens is  
1 1/3 slower. So the relevant question for me is whether the Sigma  
sensor at 1000 is better than the Ricoh sensor at 400. And that is  
not guaranteed. And besides, I already have the Ricoh, while the  
Sigma is vaporware at this point :-)

On 7-jun-2007, at 16:33, Rei Shinozuka wrote:

> seems interesting, but why is the lens so darned slow?
>
> -rei
>
> On Jun06 22:27, mehrdad wrote:
>> nathan did u also look @ the sensor size difference between the grd
>> and dp-1? the dp-1 is APS size and very capable @ shooting high  
>> iso if
>> it is the same as sigma's latest sd-14 camera. people are compering
>> the results of the sd-14 with the canon 5d.
>>
>> On 6/6/07, Nathan Wajsman <nathan@nathanfoto.com> wrote:
>>> I printed out the PDF from the web site and drooled all over it  
>>> until I
>>> realized that there is a fly in the ointment: the slow (f4) lens.
>>> Compared to my Ricoh GRD's f2.4 lens, this means that the Sigma  
>>> is about
>>> 1 1/3 stops slower. Or put in another way: if I am in a situation  
>>> where
>>> I need to use the Ricoh wide open at ISO 400 (the highest usable  
>>> ISO on
>>> the GRD in my opinion), I would need to set the Sigma to ISO 1000  
>>> in the
>>> same situation. So while I am sure that the Sigma's sensor is  
>>> superior
>>> to the Ricoh's at the same ISO, that is not the relevant  
>>> comparison for
>>> me. The Sigma at ISO 1000 would need to be superior to the Ricoh  
>>> at ISO
>>> 400. I think I'll wait for some reviews...
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>> The photographic magazines in Germany have it priced at 700 Euros -
>>>> not cheap for a P&S - but I think I want one anyway :-)
>>>> Douglas
>>>>
>>>> Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>>> Some of us are waiting on the Sigma DP1. Sigma has given it its  
>>>>> own web
>>>>> site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sigma-dp1.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> but so far it hasn't been released.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffery
>>>>>
>
>
> -- 
> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
> Ridgewood, New Jersey
>
>
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