Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/04/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]For what is worth - the shifting tones were on a cheap(er) screen. My two Planar 22" LCD screens have been great. Good price point too. Eric On 4/27/07, G Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > That's the perils of LCDS for ya. Wide screens seem especially vulnerable, > although a top-bottom shift surprises me. Must be a big > angle of eyeballs to screen? You need a calibrated frame to hold your head > at zero degrees to the screen, as well. Or a top of the > line Eizo, which costs more than an M8 here, sigh. > > Cheers > Hoppy > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: JPEG look on LR vs the web > > I retract my claim - The reason was embarrassingly simply. > The 'other computer monitor' (read cheaper) has significant color shift > depending angle of view. > I was comparing LR image on top, and PS on bottom on the screen. > Flip flopping position reversed the effect. > The LR and PS images ARE IDENTICAL . > > The original issue still does persist: > Red shift on my pro calibrated monitor when viewed in IE. > > Eric > > > On 4/27/07, G Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > > Wade are you out there?????? > > I don't have LR to try this out. I only tried the trial version. My > guess > > would be that LR would have the same colour control > > functionality and code as PS. I suspect a setting rather than a > difference > > between the two apps. I see several LR books now > > available via Amazon, including by Martin Evening. > > > > The inquiring Hoppy wants to know as well, now. > > > > Cheers > > Hoppy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto: > > lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > > Eric Korenman > > Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 08:20 > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: JPEG look on LR vs the web > > > > STOP THE PRESSES! - I think it is LR. > > > > I took a known great skin tone headshot. > > > > I created an export sRGB Jpeg with Ligthroom > > I exported another sRGB Jpeg with Photoshop. > > > > I then opened both images on another computer with internet explored > (non > > ICC aware app). > > > > The PS Jpeg is MUCH better and truer. > > The LR Jpeg is darker and redder. > > > > Please repeat this experiment to see it it holds true. > > > > thanks, > > Eric > > > > > > On 4/27/07, Eric Korenman <faneuil@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Solution: Buy everyone in the world a Spyder. > > > > > > ! > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/07, G Hopkinson <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > Eric, regarding your monitors, I meant that while they would very > > likely > > > > only work within the sRGB colour space, they may not > > > > necessarily be able to display all of it. However the important > thing > > > > there is that you have your systems colour managed and they > > > > work. Since the browsers are not ICC aware as I thought was likely > the > > > > case, then the image is not being mapped (by the video card) > > > > to the monitor profile when you are using the browser. It is out of > > the > > > > colour managed control. The images should still be the right > > > > temperature and brightness because you've physically adjusted the > > > > monitors' controls in the calibration process, but the colour > > > > reproduction may not be the same? On your clients' computers the > same > > > > image would most likely be too bright and too cool at a > > > > default setting but you have no control there, of course. > > > > > > > > My thoughts anyway. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Hoppy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto: > > lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Eric Korenman > > > > Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 02:43 > > > > To: Leica Users Group > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: JPEG look on LR vs the web > > > > > > > > As I understand, my monitors (planar high-end LCDs) are calibrated > > into > > > > sRGB > > > > space (as I have it set). > > > > Color compliant programs look great on it. Everything matches. > Prints > > > > from > > > > pro-lab also come looking great. > > > > > > > > I am previewing sRGB Jpegs on non ICC aware browsers on my own > > machine. > > > > That is when the images go flewy and look ruddy skinned. > > > > > > > > I check out my web posted images at other computers from time to > time > > > > and > > > > they also look ruddy. > > > > > > > > My guess is it is a combination of poor representation of images by > > > > non-ICC > > > > browsers and non-calibrated monitors. > > > > But I can't understand why the images would look bad on my system > > which > > > > >should< be in sRGB space. > > > > > > > > Thats why I like B&W! > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/07, G Hopkinson < hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Eric, I'm confused there. With your monitor calibrated you have > its > > > > own > > > > > profile installed. That might well fit into the sRGB but not > > > > > necessarily show all of it. > > > > > However I suspect that the weak link may be using a web browser to > > > > display > > > > > the images. I don't know if that will match what is > > > > > happening in a colour management compliant prog. I may well be > wrong > > > > > there, I'm not expert on what the web browser does. I bet they > > > > > don't look the same as in photoshop. Are you previewing in the > same > > > > > browser on your machine? > > > > > Of course you have no control at all in what your client's > computers > > > > > (monitors) do to your images. Most would very likely not be > > > > > colour managed. I just recently looked at the LUG contest gallery > on > > > > two > > > > > different laptops. The pictures looked horrible vs on a > > > > > calibrated setup. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Hoppy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto: > > > > > lug-bounces+hoppyman= bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > > > > > Eric Korenman > > > > > Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 20:38 > > > > > To: LUG > > > > > Subject: [Leica] Re: JPEG look on LR vs the web > > > > > > > > > > My system is calibrated by Spyder 2 and the deafult window color > > space > > > > is > > > > > sRGB IEC61966-2.1 > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/27/07, Eric Korenman < faneuil@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this may be more of an adobe forum question. but: > > > > > > > > > > > > My monitors are calibrated. Everything looks super in LR, PS and > > > > ACDSee. > > > > > > Skin tones are warm and lovely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Exported Jpeg images also look great in any of these three > > programs. > > > > > > However, the images look quite ruddy when opened in Internet > > > > explorer or > > > > > > any or other lesser image viewer. > > > > > > I am concerned that clients are seeing very color shifted ruddy > > skin > > > > > tones > > > > > > when I email them or post proofs. > > > > > > I am sending them sRGB Jpegs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >