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Subject: [Leica] Math, now bwc41 at 800
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Sat Dec 9 10:01:33 2006
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061206152403.027b4508@infoave.net> <p0623090dc19e3edfaa21@10.1.16.133> <4578A515.7040506@waltjohnson.com> <p06230914c19eb640e40f@10.1.16.133> <45796BA5.1080109@waltjohnson.com> <C191A03E-177F-47CF-82F5-833737DBB103@cox.net> <45797B5B.4020903@waltjohnson.com> <82c9dd70612081532r8ad7e6eva845220b1787fc7@mail.gmail.com> <786B0F75-F130-4306-B3E3-EECC0A16C378@cox.net> <457ADD12.1010707@waltjohnson.com> <82c9dd70612090825j5b31a024s992261a9bb1b556a@mail.gmail.com>

And that slice of baloney?

Eric Korenman wrote:

> well - just like adding a tiny pinch of salt to your food.
> The quantity may be minuscule but it can make all the difference.
>
> "add just a pinch more light, then scan"
>
> any decent modern camera can easily add that extra 1/3 of light.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 12/9/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Might better ask if meters and shutters are accurate enough to make a
>> difference. Don't know what kind of eye could readily spot 1/3 of a 
>> stop?
>>
>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Eric Korenman wrote:
>> >
>> >> TCN  does best at ISO 320.
>> >> It gets way too thin at ISO 800.
>> >> just 2 cents from shooting hundreds of rolls of the stuff.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > btw,  is the latitude of this film so narrow/sensitive that shooting
>> > at ISO 320 rather than 400 makes a visible difference?
>> >
>> > thanks, Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >> On 12/8/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve
>> >>>
>> >>> It sounds as if you're going to underexpose by a stop. What
>> result  are
>> >>> you looking for?
>> >>>
>> >>> Walt
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Walt and others... have you shot C41bw 400, at 800 with normal
>> >>> > development?  Results?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I see this now as advantageous, have never done it, but I plan to
>> >>> > try....
>> >>> >
>> >>> > thankjs, Steve
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 6:41 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> I think I'll start shooting all my Tri-X at 666 ISO. BTW
>> has  anyone
>> >>> >> noticed the change (years ago) from ASA to ISO appears useless?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Henning Wulff wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> Doesn't it have something to do with logging rhythms. in .3
>> >>> >>>> increments?
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Henning Wulff wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> At 10:29 PM +0100 12/6/06, Philippe Orlent wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> I was just remembering my ISO scale on the back of my MP:
>> >>> >>>>>> 50-100-200-400-800- etc.
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> But the zones in between are divided in 3 parts.
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> So between 50-100: 50/3=16,7
>> >>> >>>>>> Between: 100-200: 100/3=33,33, which would put 160 at 100
>> >>> and  2/3ds
>> >>> >>>>>> Two full stops under brings us at
>> >>> >>>>>> 400 and 2/3ds
>> >>> >>>>>> Which is 400 + (800-400)x2/3= 666,7
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> I may be wrong, but it looks like Leica logics to me.
>> >>> >>>>>> :-)
>> >>> >>>>>> Philippe
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> ISO is not continuous. It's only defined for the discrete
>> >>> >>>>> progression (from 100 to 3200) for 100, 125, 160, 200,
>> 250,  320,
>> >>> >>>>> 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> No numbers in between, ie, there is not 'ISO 300' or 'ISO 
>> 666'.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> ISO combines the old ASA and DIN scales, and makes
>> the  measurement
>> >>> >>> methods and ratings equivalent. DIN was logarithmic while ASA 
>> was
>> >>> >>> arithmetic, with 400 ASA = 27DIN, 320 ASA = 26 DIN. For
>> every  step
>> >>> >>> the ASA took an arithmetic step, and DIN took a logarithmic 
>> step.
>> >>> >>> Different measurement methods meant that there wasn't a complete
>> >>> >>> equivalency, but then they got together and came out with the 
>> ISO
>> >>> >>> method and scaling, which allows for both an arithmetic and
>> >>> >>> logarithmic scale. So now the old 400 ASA is approximately
>> >>> ISO  400/27.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Both systems jump in discrete, defined steps with intermediate
>> >>> >>> values undefined.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
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