Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/09

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Subject: [Leica] Math, now bwc41 at 800
From: faneuil at gmail.com (Eric Korenman)
Date: Sat Dec 9 08:25:22 2006
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061206152403.027b4508@infoave.net> <p0623090dc19e3edfaa21@10.1.16.133> <4578A515.7040506@waltjohnson.com> <p06230914c19eb640e40f@10.1.16.133> <45796BA5.1080109@waltjohnson.com> <C191A03E-177F-47CF-82F5-833737DBB103@cox.net> <45797B5B.4020903@waltjohnson.com> <82c9dd70612081532r8ad7e6eva845220b1787fc7@mail.gmail.com> <786B0F75-F130-4306-B3E3-EECC0A16C378@cox.net> <457ADD12.1010707@waltjohnson.com>

well - just like adding a tiny pinch of salt to your food.
The quantity may be minuscule but it can make all the difference.

"add just a pinch more light, then scan"

any decent modern camera can easily add that extra 1/3 of light.

Eric


On 12/9/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>
> Steve
>
> Might better ask if meters and shutters are accurate enough to make a
> difference. Don't know what kind of eye could readily spot 1/3 of a stop?
>
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Eric Korenman wrote:
> >
> >> TCN  does best at ISO 320.
> >> It gets way too thin at ISO 800.
> >> just 2 cents from shooting hundreds of rolls of the stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > btw,  is the latitude of this film so narrow/sensitive that shooting
> > at ISO 320 rather than 400 makes a visible difference?
> >
> > thanks, Steve
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On 12/8/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> It sounds as if you're going to underexpose by a stop. What
> result  are
> >>> you looking for?
> >>>
> >>> Walt
> >>>
> >>> Steve Barbour wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Walt and others... have you shot C41bw 400, at 800 with normal
> >>> > development?  Results?
> >>> >
> >>> > I see this now as advantageous, have never done it, but I plan to
> >>> > try....
> >>> >
> >>> > thankjs, Steve
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 6:41 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I think I'll start shooting all my Tri-X at 666 ISO. BTW
> has  anyone
> >>> >> noticed the change (years ago) from ASA to ISO appears useless?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Henning Wulff wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> Doesn't it have something to do with logging rhythms. in .3
> >>> >>>> increments?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Henning Wulff wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> At 10:29 PM +0100 12/6/06, Philippe Orlent wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I was just remembering my ISO scale on the back of my MP:
> >>> >>>>>> 50-100-200-400-800- etc.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But the zones in between are divided in 3 parts.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> So between 50-100: 50/3=16,7
> >>> >>>>>> Between: 100-200: 100/3=33,33, which would put 160 at 100
> >>> and  2/3ds
> >>> >>>>>> Two full stops under brings us at
> >>> >>>>>> 400 and 2/3ds
> >>> >>>>>> Which is 400 + (800-400)x2/3= 666,7
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I may be wrong, but it looks like Leica logics to me.
> >>> >>>>>> :-)
> >>> >>>>>> Philippe
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> ISO is not continuous. It's only defined for the discrete
> >>> >>>>> progression (from 100 to 3200) for 100, 125, 160, 200,
> 250,  320,
> >>> >>>>> 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> No numbers in between, ie, there is not 'ISO 300' or 'ISO 666'.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ISO combines the old ASA and DIN scales, and makes
> the  measurement
> >>> >>> methods and ratings equivalent. DIN was logarithmic while ASA was
> >>> >>> arithmetic, with 400 ASA = 27DIN, 320 ASA = 26 DIN. For
> every  step
> >>> >>> the ASA took an arithmetic step, and DIN took a logarithmic step.
> >>> >>> Different measurement methods meant that there wasn't a complete
> >>> >>> equivalency, but then they got together and came out with the ISO
> >>> >>> method and scaling, which allows for both an arithmetic and
> >>> >>> logarithmic scale. So now the old 400 ASA is approximately
> >>> ISO  400/27.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Both systems jump in discrete, defined steps with intermediate
> >>> >>> values undefined.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
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