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Subject: NOW: Alienbees vs Brocolor was Re: [Leica] success! but help!
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Sat Nov 4 08:33:09 2006
References: <82c9dd70611031216h75f22b51n29a9e50516b32090@mail.gmail.com> <454BB28B.4000505@waltjohnson.com> <396618DF-87F5-463A-BC8D-46B0D02D7080@pandora.be> <454BC2C6.7050100@waltjohnson.com> <A3F1644B-CA92-40BE-A4D3-C3C7A0B5FFC3@pandora.be> <454BF201.8030205@waltjohnson.com>

Thanks, Walt. We indeed interpreted it differently. And 'food' seems  
also a good theme ffor the LUG contest.
Philippe



Op 4-nov-06, om 02:50 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:

> Philippe
>
> I thought we were talking about copy work with the artists prints  
> being copied. Most of the artists I've done this type of work for  
> are extremely particular. Color must be right and the horizontals  
> and verticals must be straight. If they aren't you might have to  
> crop into the body of the work. Food shots or any subject not  
> hanging on the wall are a whole different ballgame. I have always  
> shot my copy work at f 5.6 or f 8.0. That is the aperture giving  
> the best definition, corner to corner, on most 35mm lenses. Maybe  
> some kind of food shot might be a good subject for a monthly contest?
>
> Walt.
>
> Philippe Orlent wrote:
>
>> I do a lot of simple pack shots for certain graphic work this way.  
>> PS  gives me the latitude I need in that case.
>> Cheap, fast, simple, effective. Perfect for high pace work that  
>> needs  at least a bit of a 'look'. Tilting the camera (so no real  
>> top or  front top shot) combined with wide open diafragm give  
>> beautiful DOF.  A bit as food is shot today. See f.i. http:// 
>> users.pandora.be/jean- pierre-wybauw/
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 3-nov-06, om 23:29 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Where time and money are changing hands I'd be reluctant to  
>>> count  on Mother Nature. In doing copy work simple but beautiful  
>>> is no  substitute for even and controlled. The idea would be to  
>>> select a  good location, set up your camera and lights and be  
>>> able to  efficiently  repeat yourself  till all is shot. A tripod  
>>> is very  necessary for this. The shooting situation you mentioned  
>>> would be  perfect for beautiful and casual images. Love window  
>>> light.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> Philippe Orlent wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about photographing them on a simple sheet of paper next to  
>>>> a   north facing window on a clouded day? Add a reflection  
>>>> screen on  the  other side and you'll have simple but beautiful  
>>>> light.
>>>> An incident light meter will give you the proper exposure, and  
>>>> a   tripod stability if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Or is this just too easy thinking?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 3-nov-06, om 22:20 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> As has been mentioned, the Broncolors are specially costly.  
>>>>> Back  in  the eighties I carried a couple of White Lightnings  
>>>>> all over  the  southeast. Great units.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never used flash for flat copy work but that doesn't mean   
>>>>> it  won't work. Of course, the easy way might be to set them  
>>>>> up  and use  high watt bulbs for the modeling lights and no  
>>>>> flash.  Want to make  sure what you see is what you get with  
>>>>> this kind of  endeavor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Korenman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had no trouble with my 2 alienbess units - an 800 and  
>>>>>> a  1600.
>>>>>> Both perform beautifully and were cheap (compared to my  
>>>>>> Friend   Broncolor
>>>>>> setup).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He (a salty pro) claims there is 'something special' about    
>>>>>> broncolor light.
>>>>>> I think he looks down his nose and my cheap and slightly  
>>>>>> garish   alienbees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any truth to Broncolor light being that 'special'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/3/06, Gary Todoroff <datamaster@northcoastphotos.com>  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dittoes on the White Lightening customer service. Nice folks  
>>>>>>> on  the
>>>>>>> phone, fast turn-around and perfect repairs!
>>>>>>> Gary Todoroff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >As far as Alien Bees go...they are pretty nice units, but  
>>>>>>> the  best
>>>>>>> >thing is their customer service.  Paul Buff is about 8  
>>>>>>> miles   from my
>>>>>>> house.
>>>>>>> >On the times I have had problems they have worked with me  
>>>>>>> to  get my
>>>>>>> >White Lightnings back up and running very quickly.  Paul  
>>>>>>> gave  me a
>>>>>>> >tour one day, nice facility, nice people, GREAT customer
>>>>>>> >service.  There may be better lights out there, but my   
>>>>>>> experiences
>>>>>>> >with them are the reason I keep using their products.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >--
>>>>>>> >Harrison McClary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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