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Subject: [Leica] WAS: B.D., How Harsh You Are. NOW " JUST DO IT!"
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant)
Date: Fri Aug 12 19:33:54 2005
References: <DB8AA994F7DCAA478C487B62AA1C816A07E9436F@gsnmp02es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> <42FD1F09.6000803@adrenaline.com>

Scott McLoughlin offered:


> Of course, I imagine there's a giant "silent majority" of Epson users
> easily and happily cranking out prints on EEM, VFA, Premium
> SemiGloss and the like.<<<<,

Hi Scott,
Well one thing I've been since the beginning of my playing fun time with 
digital cameras and printing and that's always been .... "KISS!"  keep it 
simple stupid and it works beautifully. Right out of the box, plug in and do 
sort of what I says, click "shoot or print" and it works.. :-)

I think what happens with some folks is, they read way too much, fiddle way 
too much, listen to too many people too much. Instead of doing their own 
thing and making it work to their own satisfaction, without changing inks, 
software and all the other fixin's and they still never get it right.

If there wasn't any internet each and all would learn by doing, not by 
listening to the opinions of others. Or their experience which quite often 
isn't as great as another might think when they see the results.

Yep some folks do incredible work, just like taking pictures, some have a 
natural talent to see and click! Others fuss till death do them part and 
never get it right for the same reason,  reading and trying too many things 
instead of learning how to make one element work perfectly.  Then move on.

Sure I didn't learn wet tray printing in a few days or months, better still 
years! ;-) But time did make a major difference and I learned by doing, not 
talking about it, besides 55 years ago it was all a big trade secret about 
photography because those who knew did not want others to learn. Why? 
Because they might take away their customers if they did! So you damn well 
learned on your own.

But life was simple in those days and you learned by doing, not reading off 
a screen, both have their place though. :-)

ted






>
> Scott
>
> Francis, Michael wrote:
>
>>Seconded (I have the HP 7960 it is wonderful) - so are the new Canons 
>>(i9900
>>for example) - it seems that the only company not capable of producing
>>consistent colour without calibration, RIPs etc is Epson... Perhaps I'm 
>>not
>>picky enough ... I have a 1280 that I converted to B&W, but I get so many
>>clogged heads I pretty much gave up. Both the Canon and the HP worked out 
>>of
>>the box and continue to work week after week.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lug-bounces+michael.francis=gs.com@leica-users.org
>>[mailto:lug-bounces+michael.francis=gs.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
>>B.
>>D. Colen
>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:58 AM
>>To: Leica Users Group
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] B.D., How Harsh You Are
>>
>>Rip schnip - the HP printers produce perfect and white without any rips or
>>weird adjustments necessary. Just prep the image, push the button, and
>>print. And now they, too, have a 13x19 printer for $500.
>>
>>On 8/11/05 9:05 PM, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@kairosphoto.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You can get the QuadtoneRIP for the R800 (and many other epson printers) 
>>>which will do a really good job of B&W printing
>>>
>>>again a bit of a learning curve (have to convert your greyscale images to 
>>>a special profile for best results),  and I find it generally works best 
>>>on matte/rag type papers (I think for the R800 it just has EEM profiles - 
>>>which can be tweaked to work with most cotton rag type papers - and you 
>>>can always try it with glossy...)
>>>
>>>http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
>>>
>>>Best of all it's free until you decide you like it enough to make a 
>>>donation
>>>
>>>tim a
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: lug-bounces+tim=kairosphoto.com@leica-users.org
>>>>[mailto:lug-bounces+tim=kairosphoto.com@leica-users.org]On Behalf Of 
>>>>Kenneth Frazier
>>>>Sent: August 11, 2005 6:58 PM
>>>>To: Leica Users Group
>>>>Subject: Re: [Leica] B.D., How Harsh You Are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>feli2@earthlink.net (feli) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My R800, which only has two shades of black, puts out some darn 
>>>>>impressive RC quality prints
>>>>>
>>>>Which paper are you using for your b&w prints?  So far, my R800 is a 
>>>>super performer, and I'm trying different papers until I find the one I 
>>>>like best.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>--
>>>>The Rev. Kenneth Frazier
>>>>Norfield Congregational Church
>>>>CT Conference, United Church of Christ Weston, CT  USA Leica photos at: 
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6sc2r
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) ([Leica] WAS: B.D., How Harsh You Are. NOW " JUST DO IT!")
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