Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/05/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/auctionmediaphotos/a/1/d/1544698476440020.jpg ;-) Amities Philippe > Le 13 mai 2020 ? 16:17, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> a ?crit : > > Ignore - missed your earlier reply. Very cool shot. The house looks great, > and roast boar every night to boot! > > D > > On 13/05/2020 15:12, Douglas Barry wrote: >> Is that your own very fancy Hassy drone, Philippe? >> >> >> On 13/05/2020 12:38, Philippe via LUG wrote: >>> Parks, and Parks :-) >>> >>> Barcelons is known to have wild-boars around. >>> https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/bombers/en/noticia/watch-out-for-wild-boars_360417 >>> >>> >>> Closing the gates prevents them from investing the nearly deserted >>> places and spreading hepatitis through the community on top of COVID19, >>> mostly to the kids playing in these parks. >>> >>> That might another of the reasons why. But who am I to guess ? >>> >>> Amities >>> >>> Philippe, semi-confined and surrounded by wild-boars, cf infra :-) >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Metz/DJI_0220.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=xe8847acf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Le 12 mai 2020 ? 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a >>>> ?crit : >>>> >>>> HI, Phillipe. My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the >>>> stupidity of some government officials. My daughter had reservations >>>> for a >>>> camping spot in a Washington State park. Reservations mean you don't >>>> get >>>> in the park without one. Limited number of folks in the huge park. Yet >>>> her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise around >>>> the >>>> park ensuring that the rules were followed? What the F&%k are the state >>>> employees doing with nobody allowed in the park. Moving the >>>> conversation >>>> to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so >>>> different >>>> age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the >>>> gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the rules >>>> were >>>> followed? If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions >>>> then >>>> ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all >>>> involved. >>>> Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations >>>> sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the >>>> park or >>>> whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some >>>> could >>>> not keep the rest of the citizens safe. >>>> >>>> The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies that >>>> make >>>> sense for them. Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns >>>> until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is >>>> created. Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful >>>> balancing >>>> of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus is >>>> as >>>> low as possible. In this scenario government finances are stretched to >>>> the >>>> limit as there is no income coming in. Some organizations close >>>> forever as >>>> resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, >>>> commitments >>>> for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock up >>>> said >>>> resources). >>>> >>>> Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible >>>> watching >>>> hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with >>>> antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources >>>> available. Here you will shut things down progressively if your medical >>>> resources begin to overload. In this scenario deaths may increase >>>> dramatically if wrong calls are made. >>>> >>>> Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open >>>> with >>>> strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the virus. >>>> Social distancing is strongly enforced. This is a middle path with >>>> possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less >>>> affected. >>>> >>>> Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as >>>> people >>>> are found to be infected. This only works in small population countries >>>> with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority. It also only >>>> works >>>> when the infection is just starting and the infected are a relatively >>>> small >>>> number. This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many are >>>> infected to trace the infections. >>>> >>>> Scenario 5 is the Swedish model. Essentially a variation on the German >>>> model with more choice by the citizens. Currently a higher mortality >>>> rate >>>> than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not >>>> developed >>>> in 6-18 months. >>>> >>>> In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously. States like >>>> Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2. NY, >>>> Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1. The >>>> next >>>> few weeks will be enlightening. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at >>>> leica-users.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A tragedy yes. >>>>> >>>>> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different >>>>> places, >>>>> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the US, >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> Same virus though. Lethal for humans. >>>>> >>>>> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerve?a ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Amities >>>>> >>>>> Philippe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Le 12 mai 2020 ? 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a >>>>>> ?crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> That is a tragedy. Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus. People >>>>>> just >>>>>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask. Several of our states >>>>> have >>>>>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the rules. >>>>>> If >>>>>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they won't >>>>>> follow them walking down the street. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG < >>>>> lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A Parc in confinement?. >>>>>>> < >>>>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saludos cordiales >>>>>>> Lluis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Don >>>>>> don.dory at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Don >>>> don.dory at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information