[Leica] One way to justify a M10R

[mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)]

I don?t know Frank an APS-C sensor gets called a cropped sensor.
As you think you have new longer lens bringing you in closer but all you're 
doing is cropping.

 
 

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Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 2/6/20, 8:21 PM, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

    Mark, if you asking me about crop factors in my thoughts, it has nothing 
to
    do with the issue.....
    What I am taking about is when you have to take images that are in the
    distance, and you can not get closer, either physically or through lens
    length...... this method allows you to make that shot......
    The advantage that I see is that you do not have to CARRY that lens  (or 
2
    or 3) extra.....
    When you get to my age, you may wish your camera bag is lighter..... and
    this is a way to do that.......
    
    Mark, maybe you are right, in reverse.... use a APS-C sensor to get 
closer
    in apparent image content.  you have cut the angle of view.... I crop..
    maybe it is the same thing.....  I do it in post, you do it by equipment
    selection.....  Sounds like the same result.....
    
    
    
    Frank Filippone
    BMWRed735i at gmail.com
    
    
    On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mark Kronquist via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org>
    wrote:
    
    > Crop factor? The m8 and 8-2 yes but the M9 on are full frame.  Am I
    > missing something? Mark
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 11:37 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk> 
wrote:
    > >
    > > ?It will doubtless have better low-light capability than the M9,
    > probably M(240) and maybe M10...
    > >
    > > john
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at 
leica-users.org] On
    > Behalf Of Frank Filippone via LUG
    > > Sent: 06 February 2020 19:33
    > > To: forum at leica-camera-forum.com; LUG
    > > Cc: Frank Filippone
    > > Subject: [Leica] One way to justify a M10R
    > >
    > > I am not going to try to justify the cost issues, but I do want to 
help
    > > users decide one advantage they are getting from buying an M10R once 
it
    > is
    > > available.  I am going to assume the resolution of the new camera 
will be
    > > 46MP.  (there are reports of 42 and 46MP.  The analysis does not 
change
    > > much between these numbers. so let's think positive, 46MP)
    > >
    > > Remember that these advantages are relative to your old setup.  The
    > > decision that this argument is making is... should I upgrade to an 
M10R
    > > from my old Digi-M?
    > >
    > > It is all about Cropping.  If you need an end resolution of AxB 
pixels,
    > and
    > > you take an image that is more pixels than this, you can use cropping
    > > without degradation of your final image.
    > >
    > > There are 3 probable cases/generations of an "Old" Leica camera:  
The M9,
    > > and M240, and the M10  ( or variants).  Taking these one at a time,
    > >
    > > If you own an M10, with 24MP of sensor the effective lens factor is 
1.32
    > (
    > > let's go with 1 1/3 for convenience).  This means that it would have
    > taken
    > > a lens of 1 1/3 focal length to take the same image output  as if 
you had
    > > your old camera.  IOW your your 35 mm lens can crop to the 
equivalent of
    > a
    > > 47mm lens on the M10R.  A 50mm lens becomes a 67mm lens, your 90 
becomes
    > a
    > > 120mm , your 135 becomes a 180mm..  And you are not carrying that 
extra
    > > lens around....
    > >
    > > If you have a M240, the situation is similar.  24mp sensor.  Same
    > > advantages.
    > >
    > > If you have an M9 ( like I do) the case is much more clear and
    >
    >
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