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Subject: [Leica] One way to justify a M10R
From: bmwred735i at gmail.com (Frank Filippone)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 21:36:47 -1000
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I have a M9 Monochrom. I am covered.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:27 PM Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:

> Frank, after you get the M10-R, be sure to get an M10-M to complete the
> set.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:22 PM Frank Filippone via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Mark, if you asking me about crop factors in my thoughts, it has nothing
> to
> > do with the issue.....
> > What I am taking about is when you have to take images that are in the
> > distance, and you can not get closer, either physically or through lens
> > length...... this method allows you to make that shot......
> > The advantage that I see is that you do not have to CARRY that lens  (or
> 2
> > or 3) extra.....
> > When you get to my age, you may wish your camera bag is lighter..... and
> > this is a way to do that.......
> >
> > Mark, maybe you are right, in reverse.... use a APS-C sensor to get
> closer
> > in apparent image content.  you have cut the angle of view.... I crop..
> > maybe it is the same thing.....  I do it in post, you do it by equipment
> > selection.....  Sounds like the same result.....
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > BMWRed735i at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mark Kronquist via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Crop factor? The m8 and 8-2 yes but the M9 on are full frame.  Am I
> > > missing something? Mark
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 11:37 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?It will doubtless have better low-light capability than the M9,
> > > probably M(240) and maybe M10...
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Frank Filippone via LUG
> > > > Sent: 06 February 2020 19:33
> > > > To: forum at leica-camera-forum.com; LUG
> > > > Cc: Frank Filippone
> > > > Subject: [Leica] One way to justify a M10R
> > > >
> > > > I am not going to try to justify the cost issues, but I do want to
> help
> > > > users decide one advantage they are getting from buying an M10R once
> it
> > > is
> > > > available.  I am going to assume the resolution of the new camera
> will
> > be
> > > > 46MP.  (there are reports of 42 and 46MP.  The analysis does not
> change
> > > > much between these numbers. so let's think positive, 46MP)
> > > >
> > > > Remember that these advantages are relative to your old setup.  The
> > > > decision that this argument is making is... should I upgrade to an
> M10R
> > > > from my old Digi-M?
> > > >
> > > > It is all about Cropping.  If you need an end resolution of AxB
> pixels,
> > > and
> > > > you take an image that is more pixels than this, you can use cropping
> > > > without degradation of your final image.
> > > >
> > > > There are 3 probable cases/generations of an "Old" Leica camera:  The
> > M9,
> > > > and M240, and the M10  ( or variants).  Taking these one at a time,
> > > >
> > > > If you own an M10, with 24MP of sensor the effective lens factor is
> > 1.32
> > > (
> > > > let's go with 1 1/3 for convenience).  This means that it would have
> > > taken
> > > > a lens of 1 1/3 focal length to take the same image output  as if you
> > had
> > > > your old camera.  IOW your your 35 mm lens can crop to the equivalent
> > of
> > > a
> > > > 47mm lens on the M10R.  A 50mm lens becomes a 67mm lens, your 90
> > becomes
> > > a
> > > > 120mm , your 135 becomes a 180mm..  And you are not carrying that
> extra
> > > > lens around....
> > > >
> > > > If you have a M240, the situation is similar.  24mp sensor.  Same
> > > > advantages.
> > > >
> > > > If you have an M9 ( like I do) the case is much more clear and
> > >
> > >
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Frank Filippone
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In reply to: Message from john at mcmaster.co.uk (John McMaster) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
Message from mak at teleport.com (Mark Kronquist) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
Message from bmwred735i at gmail.com (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
Message from richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)