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Subject: [Leica] One way to justify a M10R
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:26:30 -0800
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Frank, after you get the M10-R, be sure to get an M10-M to complete the set.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:22 PM Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org>
wrote:

> Mark, if you asking me about crop factors in my thoughts, it has nothing to
> do with the issue.....
> What I am taking about is when you have to take images that are in the
> distance, and you can not get closer, either physically or through lens
> length...... this method allows you to make that shot......
> The advantage that I see is that you do not have to CARRY that lens  (or 2
> or 3) extra.....
> When you get to my age, you may wish your camera bag is lighter..... and
> this is a way to do that.......
>
> Mark, maybe you are right, in reverse.... use a APS-C sensor to get closer
> in apparent image content.  you have cut the angle of view.... I crop..
> maybe it is the same thing.....  I do it in post, you do it by equipment
> selection.....  Sounds like the same result.....
>
>
>
> Frank Filippone
> BMWRed735i at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mark Kronquist via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Crop factor? The m8 and 8-2 yes but the M9 on are full frame.  Am I
> > missing something? Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 6, 2020, at 11:37 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?It will doubtless have better low-light capability than the M9,
> > probably M(240) and maybe M10...
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org] 
> > > On
> > Behalf Of Frank Filippone via LUG
> > > Sent: 06 February 2020 19:33
> > > To: forum at leica-camera-forum.com; LUG
> > > Cc: Frank Filippone
> > > Subject: [Leica] One way to justify a M10R
> > >
> > > I am not going to try to justify the cost issues, but I do want to help
> > > users decide one advantage they are getting from buying an M10R once it
> > is
> > > available.  I am going to assume the resolution of the new camera will
> be
> > > 46MP.  (there are reports of 42 and 46MP.  The analysis does not change
> > > much between these numbers. so let's think positive, 46MP)
> > >
> > > Remember that these advantages are relative to your old setup.  The
> > > decision that this argument is making is... should I upgrade to an M10R
> > > from my old Digi-M?
> > >
> > > It is all about Cropping.  If you need an end resolution of AxB pixels,
> > and
> > > you take an image that is more pixels than this, you can use cropping
> > > without degradation of your final image.
> > >
> > > There are 3 probable cases/generations of an "Old" Leica camera:  The
> M9,
> > > and M240, and the M10  ( or variants).  Taking these one at a time,
> > >
> > > If you own an M10, with 24MP of sensor the effective lens factor is
> 1.32
> > (
> > > let's go with 1 1/3 for convenience).  This means that it would have
> > taken
> > > a lens of 1 1/3 focal length to take the same image output  as if you
> had
> > > your old camera.  IOW your your 35 mm lens can crop to the equivalent
> of
> > a
> > > 47mm lens on the M10R.  A 50mm lens becomes a 67mm lens, your 90
> becomes
> > a
> > > 120mm , your 135 becomes a 180mm..  And you are not carrying that extra
> > > lens around....
> > >
> > > If you have a M240, the situation is similar.  24mp sensor.  Same
> > > advantages.
> > >
> > > If you have an M9 ( like I do) the case is much more clear and
> >
> >
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Replies: Reply from bmwred735i at gmail.com (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
In reply to: Message from john at mcmaster.co.uk (John McMaster) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
Message from mak at teleport.com (Mark Kronquist) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)
Message from bmwred735i at gmail.com (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] One way to justify a M10R)