Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2019/08/15

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Subject: [Leica] Glamour Photography
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:23:16 -0700
References: <CA+yJO1AApemcEhJATqNZHpJUTGXxAPUVMZ4OJJw_XYm82as80g@mail.gmail.com> <37378937-F093-4C67-9B1A-997F4B98E3B7@frozenlight.eu>

I have a joke group on FB called "Medium&Large Format Film Without Dirty
Old Men With Cameras" because most nudes are done dirty old men with
cameras, defensively masqueraded as "it's art, you prude!" No, we know
dirty old men with cameras when we see one, and we know art.

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:17 PM Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
wrote:

> I have indeed left the Leica Portrait Group because I have concluded that
> it is mainly an outlet for Thailand-based pimps to present their offerings.
> Very few actual photographers there.
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> When I said something to that effect (more diplomatically), the moderator
> threatened with expulsion. My reaction was to leave.
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> Cheers,
> Nathan
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> Nathan Wajsman
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> > On 12 Aug 2019, at 22:52, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
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> > LUG:
> >
> > I think Nathan has left the Leica Portrait Group but I'm still there
> > arguing about "glamour" photography and now it has spread to the Leica
> Meet
> > FB page, too.  Thank goodness, the moderators there are censoring some of
> > the most awful examples of exploitive photos of nearly naked objectified
> > women.  That seems to be the result of so many Leica photographers being
> > older men who can afford expensive cameras and young models.  I cringe
> when
> > I see these posed, stilted, artificially lit, awkward, emotionless
> examples
> > of nude photography.  It is terrible photography.
> >
> > I do not object to nude photography.  The photos on both of those sites
> by
> > John A. DiGiorgio are wonderful examples of nude, or nearly nude, women
> > showing emotion.  They are not objectified.  I think those are art, not
> > pornography.
> >
> > The vast majority of Leica photographers are men.  I guess this is an
> > expected result of that demographic but I think education would certainly
> > help some of those "photographers" take better photos without relying on
> > objectifying women.
> >
> > If you are on either of those FB pages, please leave a comment and
> > opinion.  As one of the very few women, I feel outnumbered.
> >
> > Tina
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In reply to: Message from tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Glamour Photography)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Glamour Photography)