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Subject: [Leica] M9 reliability question - from the Leica Website
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Verizon 2 2016)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 20:26:04 -0400
References: <B7874C91-D17C-48C3-BC3C-784AC35909F6@frozenlight.eu> <1C283978-5E5B-42A7-9426-847318EB9DE0@verizon.net> <8C2E4D5B-683B-4203-9445-2F252B03264D@frozenlight.eu> <4DD9B80B905042C0AE2094B3CF004498@Family> <8BD30673-2951-4668-BFA5-0ACD38D78C93@frozenlight.eu> <6d3cf876-b755-31c7-41ff-f3c06c7472dd@lighttube.net> <9562ba8e-e2b8-0ee5-08c6-1d2c62dd6529@gmx.de> <65007428-d658-b839-098c-3c06fa0ed702@lighttube.net> <9467ECB8-73F5-4CE0-A1D4-6F7740AB7E32@frozenlight.eu> <8e2d19f2-0fca-72ae-d7c4-a60bd18dcfab@innerside.demon.nl> <EC5546BA-A8AE-43E8-8920-D2E074CCB1F6@verizon.net> <4fcfb990-5df0-2895-b155-cc6ad04980da@innerside.demon.nl>

I believe what you say, and it brought up a bunch of issues in my mind...
IF the only difference is the cover glass, how does the firmware know which 
coverglass is installed?
The new firmware must somehow be told, through some setting on the sensor 
module assembly which cover glass is in place.  Ie, they are changing the 
sensor assembly and modifying that new assembly in some (could be hard wired 
or a software setting) way to tell the firmware what glass is installed.

But I go to my final statement, you can not  tell that a new sensor cover 
glass is installed from the firmware edition.  Except v1.202 does not have 
the new cover glass...

I should state that my now broken M9 has no glass cover plate clips to hold 
everything together.  I was surprised.
Frank

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 2, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Meino de Graaf <meino at innerside.demon.nl> 
wrote:

There was a huge discussion on the Leica forum about this topic. with the 
follopwing results:

1    The new cover glass has different spectral parameters, so the firmware 
had to be changed to compensate for the small difference in color 
transmission.

2    According to Leica, the new firmware is downwards compatible with the 
old coverglas. The firmware notices that old sensor with the original cover 
glass is present and reverts to the spectral parameters used in version 1.202

regards

Meino de Graaf



> On 6/2/2016 11:09 PM, Frank Verizon 2 2016 wrote:
> Not so sure I understand your point...
> >From what has been said....
> That the current user installable M9 firmware is v 1.202. 1.204 is not on 
> the Leica site for download.
> Cameras that have gone back to Leica, and had their sensor replaced, have 
> v 1.204 installed. We do not know if ALL new cover glass sensors were 
> upgraded to 1.204.
> We do know:
> Therefore, if you have 1.202 installed, the sensor has not been upgraded 
> to the new sensor.  Maybe.  Did Leica replace some of the new sensors with 
> older firmware?
> 
> We can not assume that 1.204 is compatible with the old sensor
> We can not assume 1.202 is compatible with the new sensor
> We, the unwashed public, can not download v1.204
> 
> Any camera that has 1.204 has had the sensor replaced, but does not tell 
> us what sensor (cover glass) has been installed.
> 
> And, from what we have been told is that the sensor is the same, only the 
> cover glass is changed...why we need new firmware is a mystery
> 
> All of which means we know absolutely nothing!
> 
> WHEN I get my camera back from Leica ( my estimate is 4-6 months due to 
> when I can send it in, and time to fix it), who knows what I will get.... 
> And no, I am not upgrading to a M240, or other. I want MY M9 back.
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Leica-less in Canada. But Fuji'd.....
> 
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Meino de Graaf <meino at innerside.demon.nl> 
> wrote:
> 
> The new firmware is downwards compatible with the old sensor. The new 
> sensor needs the new firmware, So yes the fact that the latest firmware is 
> present is not a good sign that the new sensor is installed.
> 
> regards
> 
> Meino de Graaf
> 
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