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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: Tests with MM and M246
From: leica_r8 at hotmail.com (Aram Langhans)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:24:38 -0800
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Right.  She is not testing the camera or lens.  She is testing the 
photographic system, which includes the photographer and the environment in 
which the system is working.  Real life tests will tell you how the system 
will perform in the world in which you are working.  A test of the system 
has to include all variables as variables.  The test of one item has to 
control all variables.  Apples oranges.  Who cares what the camera alone can 
do if you will never be using it under those controlled conditions?

Keep testing and learning how the system works.  I look forward to the 
amazing photos it will produce in your hands.

Aram



Aram Langhans
(Semi) Retired Science Teacher
& Unemployed photographer

?The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin himself 
would ever have dared dream.? James D. Watson
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ken Iisaka
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:33 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Tests with MM and M246

It all boils down to what you're testing for.

If you are comparing the image quality in a strict manner, you have to
eliminate as many variables as possible.

But again, if the testing is for whether I enjoy using this camera, and no
more than that, there is no need to a tripod.

Both tests, at the most elemental level, and at the aggregate level, are
valid. But Tina's tests do not show whether M264 has better image
qualities. It tests whether she can produce better results with M264 or
not, where the image quality is an aggregate of resolution, dynamic range
and other attributes, as well as handling, and other more subjected
attributes.


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
wrote:

> Nothing wrong with "do I like to photograph with the camera and do the
> output looks good" subjective tests.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:56 PM, George Lottermoser <
> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > As I have said before, I do not do controlled tests on tripods.  I do
> > real
> > > life tests the way I would use the cameras.  Tripod tests would be of
> no
> > > use to me since I never use a tripod.  I hold the camera or prop it on
> > the
> > > nearest post.  It works for me, maybe not for others.
> >
> > The question then becomes:
> > What qualities, or variables are you testing for?
> >
> > Regards,
> > George Lottermoser
> >
> > http://www.imagist.com
> > http://www.imagist.com/blog
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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