Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/11/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I do!! I've finished the manual and am practicing everything in real life. It's pretty intuitive. More complicated than the M's but less complicated than the Fuji!! Now to take it on a trip! Tina Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > > To me the most important piece of information you can give, other than if > you're loving the camera, is what page of the manual you're on and is it > the first, second or third pass! ;-) > > There are lots of folks out there already doing tripod tests of X vs Y, > etc. for Tina the big question is do you love it? > > Bob Adler > Robert Adler Photography > www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Aram. It's nice to know somebody is listening ;-) >> >> Tina >> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I was a bit late to see these and all I got was unknown photo errors. >>> Tina informed me she took them down because of all the complaining about >>> her methods. I think that is pretty sad. She is without a doubt one of >>> the most knowledgeable and talented photographer in this group. And she >>> was spending the time to share her experiences, almost in real time. I >>> would love to meet her one day and learn from her. If you don't want to >>> see what she is doing, just don't look. >>> >>> Sorry, Tina. Don?t let those curmudgeons get to you. If they don?t >>> want >>> to see what you are doing they can ignore you. I am sure there are >>> plenty >>> of people who do like to see how your are testing/learning how to use >>> your >>> new camera. I surely was one. It is interesting to see how a different >>> person goes through the process of learning something. One can learn >>> just >>> as much from the process as from the actual outcome. As a teacher I >>> would >>> think a class was a failure if I myself did not learn from my students a >>> thing or two about the teaching process, or even the subject matter >>> itself >>> when they would ask questions I had not though of. It is so good to have >>> someone like you going through the steps of learning the SL, and posting >>> your results. It then brings up questions that people have and you have >>> answered them. Reading a review from someone you don't know is so >>> static. >>> You can't ask questions and get answers quickly. They might not even >>> have >>> the camera anymore to try things and answer the questions. >>> >>> So, I would encourage you to keep posting so those of us who are >>> interested can learn from the process as well as from the results, and >>> just >>> let the curmudgeons be. >>> >>> Aram >>> >>> PS. I don't think I have ever used the word curmudgeons in a real >>> conversation. Thanks for the opportunity, as sad as it might me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Tina Manley >>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:01 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux >>> >>> Because several people asked me to and I was trying to be co-operative! >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Then why bother testing or comparing? Just practice for what you bought >>> it >>>> for ;-) >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> I'd much rather practice focusing on chickens' eyes. That's a more >>>> useful >>>> test for the kind of photography I do! Ferns and peeling paint and >>>> rocks >>>> that don't move are not my thing ;-) To me, whether the corners are in >>>> focus >>>> or not is not nearly as important as whether I can get sharp eyes in a >>>> moving subject. With the SL, my hit rate is much higher and getting >>>> even >>>> higher as I learn to use it. The real test will be when I take it on a >>>> trip. I'm hoping right now with all of this testing to be able to use >>>> the >>>> camera automatically without having to stop and think about which button >>>> or >>>> which wheel to use for the setting I want. The settings are pretty >>>> intuitive but they do take more practice and learning than the M >>>> cameras, >>>> but not nearly as much as the Fuji ones!! >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A more useful test is where the subject is near infinity and should be >>>>> in focus, see what the corners look like with the 35/2.0, that is >>>>> where the SL may be weaker than the M... Tripods are the only way to >>>>> do decent A-B testing, that is not real photography ;-) >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>> I hate tripods. I did put the camera on the rail of the porch. I'd be >>>>> glad to send anybody a full DNG or blow up any section to 100% and post >>>> it. >>>>> You are probably right about the lens weight; however, I did carry >>>>> around a Canon 1DMII with an 85/1.2 lens for over a year before Leica >>>>> finally came out with a digital camera. That combination weighs 2623 >>>>> grams and is not nearly as easy to handle as the SL and 24-90 at 2095 >>>> grams. >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:24 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That you could/should have used a tripod to get similar framing ;-) >>>>>> You, looking at the DNGs, are the only one who is likely to see a >>>>>> real difference..... There will be no native SL lens weighing less >>>>>> than twice (more likely 3x) the weight of a 35/2.0.... >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8, >>>>>> the SL with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron. >>>>>> As I was carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen >>>>>> scale so I weighed them. The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams. >>>>>> The M240 with the >>>>>> 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the >>>>>> coded lenses with no further attention from me. When I attach the R >>>>>> lenses, I go to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached. It >>>>>> recognizes the lens but does not record the correct aperture. I >>>>>> know I took several at F/8 and used hyperfocal focusing, but none of >>>>>> them came up as having f/8 for the aperture. >>>>>> >>>>>> The SL is much easier to focus. I tried out both the magnifying in >>>>>> the EVF and the focus peaking. Both work fine but the magnified EVF >>>>>> is much easier to see. You press the bottom right button once and >>>>>> it zooms to 100% in the EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%. >>>>>> Focus and touch the shutter button and it zooms back out and takes the >>>> photo. >>>>>> >>>>>> With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to >>>>>> choose from in the SL and you can also touch the screen and have it >>>>>> focus there or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick) >>>>>> next to the EFG to choose a focus spot. I find the screen and the >>>>>> toggle switch to be easiest and fastest. But these are all manually >>>>>> focused with M and R lenses. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using >>>>>> the magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses >>>> frame. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923 >>>>>> >>>>>> The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to >>>>>> jpegs as they are exported with no other adjustments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755 >>>>>> >>>>>> Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757 >>>>>> >>>>>> Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758 >>>>>> >>>>>> I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with >>>>>> each camera and each lens. These are adjusted for color and exposure: >>>>>> >>>>>> *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7 >>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>* >>>>>> >>>>>> The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged >>>>>> jpeg from them automatically. I found those needed more adjusting >>>>>> than making them myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> Tina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley >>> http:// >>> < >>> http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=64160498-998b-45c0-eccd-67b507a25be0 >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> -- >> Tina Manley >> http:// >> <http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=6b1ea160-ee1c-486b-e489-fe3b18e97cd8> >> www.tinamanley.com >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information