Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/11/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks, Aram. It's nice to know somebody is listening ;-) Tina On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote: > I was a bit late to see these and all I got was unknown photo errors. > Tina informed me she took them down because of all the complaining about > her methods. I think that is pretty sad. She is without a doubt one of > the most knowledgeable and talented photographer in this group. And she > was spending the time to share her experiences, almost in real time. I > would love to meet her one day and learn from her. If you don't want to > see what she is doing, just don't look. > > Sorry, Tina. Don?t let those curmudgeons get to you. If they don?t want > to see what you are doing they can ignore you. I am sure there are plenty > of people who do like to see how your are testing/learning how to use your > new camera. I surely was one. It is interesting to see how a different > person goes through the process of learning something. One can learn just > as much from the process as from the actual outcome. As a teacher I would > think a class was a failure if I myself did not learn from my students a > thing or two about the teaching process, or even the subject matter itself > when they would ask questions I had not though of. It is so good to have > someone like you going through the steps of learning the SL, and posting > your results. It then brings up questions that people have and you have > answered them. Reading a review from someone you don't know is so static. > You can't ask questions and get answers quickly. They might not even have > the camera anymore to try things and answer the questions. > > So, I would encourage you to keep posting so those of us who are > interested can learn from the process as well as from the results, and just > let the curmudgeons be. > > Aram > > PS. I don't think I have ever used the word curmudgeons in a real > conversation. Thanks for the opportunity, as sad as it might me. > > -----Original Message----- From: Tina Manley > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:01 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux > > Because several people asked me to and I was trying to be co-operative! > > Tina > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote: > > Then why bother testing or comparing? Just practice for what you bought it >> for ;-) >> >> john >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I'd much rather practice focusing on chickens' eyes. That's a more useful >> test for the kind of photography I do! Ferns and peeling paint and rocks >> that don't move are not my thing ;-) To me, whether the corners are in >> focus >> or not is not nearly as important as whether I can get sharp eyes in a >> moving subject. With the SL, my hit rate is much higher and getting even >> higher as I learn to use it. The real test will be when I take it on a >> trip. I'm hoping right now with all of this testing to be able to use the >> camera automatically without having to stop and think about which button >> or >> which wheel to use for the setting I want. The settings are pretty >> intuitive but they do take more practice and learning than the M cameras, >> but not nearly as much as the Fuji ones!! >> >> Tina >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >> wrote: >> >> > A more useful test is where the subject is near infinity and should be >> > in focus, see what the corners look like with the 35/2.0, that is >> > where the SL may be weaker than the M... Tripods are the only way to >> > do decent A-B testing, that is not real photography ;-) >> > >> > john >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > I hate tripods. I did put the camera on the rail of the porch. I'd be >> > glad to send anybody a full DNG or blow up any section to 100% and post >> it. >> > You are probably right about the lens weight; however, I did carry >> > around a Canon 1DMII with an 85/1.2 lens for over a year before Leica >> > finally came out with a digital camera. That combination weighs 2623 >> > grams and is not nearly as easy to handle as the SL and 24-90 at 2095 >> grams. >> > >> > Tina >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:24 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >> wrote: >> > >> > > That you could/should have used a tripod to get similar framing ;-) >> > > You, looking at the DNGs, are the only one who is likely to see a >> > > real difference..... There will be no native SL lens weighing less >> > > than twice (more likely 3x) the weight of a 35/2.0.... >> > > >> > > john >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > >> > > I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8, >> > > the SL with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron. >> > > As I was carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen >> > > scale so I weighed them. The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams. >> > > The M240 with the >> > > 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference. >> > > >> > > When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the >> > > coded lenses with no further attention from me. When I attach the R >> > > lenses, I go to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached. It >> > > recognizes the lens but does not record the correct aperture. I >> > > know I took several at F/8 and used hyperfocal focusing, but none of >> > > them came up as having f/8 for the aperture. >> > > >> > > The SL is much easier to focus. I tried out both the magnifying in >> > > the EVF and the focus peaking. Both work fine but the magnified EVF >> > > is much easier to see. You press the bottom right button once and >> > > it zooms to 100% in the EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%. >> > > Focus and touch the shutter button and it zooms back out and takes the >> photo. >> > > >> > > With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to >> > > choose from in the SL and you can also touch the screen and have it >> > > focus there or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick) >> > > next to the EFG to choose a focus spot. I find the screen and the >> > > toggle switch to be easiest and fastest. But these are all manually >> > > focused with M and R lenses. >> > > >> > > The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using >> > > the magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses >> frame. >> > > >> > > http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923 >> > > >> > > The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to >> > > jpegs as they are exported with no other adjustments. >> > > >> > > Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R: >> > > >> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755 >> > > >> > > Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M: >> > > >> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757 >> > > >> > > Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M: >> > > >> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758 >> > > >> > > I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with >> > > each camera and each lens. These are adjusted for color and exposure: >> > > >> > > *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7 >> > > <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>* >> > > >> > > The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged >> > > jpeg from them automatically. I found those needed more adjusting >> > > than making them myself. >> > > >> > > What do you think? >> > > >> > > Tina >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > -- > Tina Manley > http:// > < > http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=64160498-998b-45c0-eccd-67b507a25be0 > > > www.tinamanley.com > http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Tina Manley http:// <http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=6b1ea160-ee1c-486b-e489-fe3b18e97cd8> www.tinamanley.com http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/