Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]It is a wonderful and evocative photograph, but it is a relatively static subject in very low light, conditions made to order for the Nocti. Horses for courses, as always! Cheers Jayanand On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote: > Bob, > > Now that is a beautiful image. > > Sue > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and > switching > > between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point > > and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think > about > > what I'm doing: I just look and point. > > With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive > > stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and > > some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it: > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html > > > > So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my > Leica! > > So it goes... :-) > > > > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at > > gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > >> Bob, > >> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. > Just > >> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that > >> purpose! > >> Cheers > >> Jayanand > >> > >>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Ken, > >>> > >>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the > >> mechanical > >>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter > >>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires > >>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it > doubles > >>> the shutter actuations > >>> > >>> Here's my working theories: > >>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the > >>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being > the > >>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter > >> kick). > >>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its > >>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on > >>> > >>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight > >>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 > >> and > >>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and > forth > >>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving > >>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of > >> focusing > >>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really > >> helps > >>> because of its tiny lag. > >>> > >>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with > my > >>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and > sometimes > >>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where > I > >>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger > >> system, > >>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen > >> jpeg. > >>> > >>> Does that make sense? > >>> Bob > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Bob, > >>>> > >>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about > >> users > >>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back > and > >>>> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I > >> know > >>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with > >>>> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and > >>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica > >> long > >>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a > >>> focus > >>>> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. > >>>> > >>>> Ken > >>>> > >>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. > >> Completely > >>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape > >> images > >>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check > >>> focus > >>>>> for landscape work. > >>>>> > >>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 > >>> sec > >>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after > >>> focusing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may > >>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Bob-The -Grump > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>> Robert Adler Photography > >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>>> > >>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < > >>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" > >>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a note off the iPad, George > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr < > >> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Doug Herr > >>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento > >>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > >>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM > >>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users > >>>>>>>> Group < > >>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the > $$... > >>>>>>>> Better > >>>>>>>> value with the MM-I > >>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Bob Adler > >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob Adler > > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >