Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and switching between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think about what I'm doing: I just look and point. With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my Leica! So it goes... :-) On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > Bob, > Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just > get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that > purpose! > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Ken, > > > > The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the > mechanical > > shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter > > release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires > > (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles > > the shutter actuations > > > > Here's my working theories: > > 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the > > primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the > > noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter > kick). > > The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its > > accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on > > > > HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight > > movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 > and > > f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth > > while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving > > grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of > focusing > > with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really > helps > > because of its tiny lag. > > > > 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my > > larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes > > live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I > > can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger > system, > > I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen > jpeg. > > > > Does that make sense? > > Bob > > > > > > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about > users > > > sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and > > > front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I > know > > > even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with > > > in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and > > > lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica > long > > > ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a > > focus > > > error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: > > > > > >> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. > Completely > > >> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape > images > > >> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check > > focus > > >> for landscape work. > > >> > > >> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 > > sec > > >> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after > > focusing. > > >> > > >> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may > > >> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. > > >> Best, > > >> Bob-The -Grump > > >> > > >> Bob Adler > > >> Robert Adler Photography > > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > > >> > > >> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < > > >>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" > > >>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. > > >>> > > >>> a note off the iPad, George > > >>> > > >>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr < > wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> The significant upgrade is live view. > > >>>> > > >>>> Doug Herr > > >>>> Birdman of Sacramento > > >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > >>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> > > >>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > > >>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM > > >>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group > > >>>>> < > > >>>>> lug at leica-users.org> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$... > > >>>>> Better > > >>>>> value with the MM-I > > >>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Leica Users Group. > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob Adler > > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Bob Adler www.robertadlerphotography.com