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Subject: [Leica] New Monochrome results
From: skalte at icloud.com (Susan Ryan)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 23:06:10 -0600
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Bob, 

Now that is a beautiful image. 

Sue



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and switching
> between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point
> and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think about
> what I'm doing: I just look and point.
> With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive
> stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and
> some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it:
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html
> 
> So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my Leica!
> So it goes... :-)
> 
> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at 
> gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Bob,
>> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just
>> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that
>> purpose!
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ken,
>>> 
>>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the
>> mechanical
>>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
>>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
>>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles
>>> the shutter actuations
>>> 
>>> Here's my working theories:
>>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
>>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the
>>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter
>> kick).
>>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
>>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
>>> 
>>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
>>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1
>> and
>>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth
>>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
>>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of
>> focusing
>>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really
>> helps
>>> because of its tiny lag.
>>> 
>>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my
>>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes
>>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I
>>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger
>> system,
>>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen
>> jpeg.
>>> 
>>> Does that make sense?
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bob,
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question.  I have seen numerous posts about
>> users
>>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and
>>>> front focus issues.  Is this what live view is intended to avoid?  I
>> know
>>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
>>>> in-camera software.  If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
>>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica
>> long
>>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a
>>> focus
>>>> error though I succeeded at times).  Thx for some enlightenment.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240.
>> Completely
>>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape
>> images
>>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check
>>> focus
>>>>> for landscape work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2
>>> sec
>>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after
>>> focusing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R  lenses which it may
>>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Bob-The -Grump
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob Adler
>>>>> Robert Adler Photography
>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
>>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
>>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a note off the iPad, George
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <
>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
>>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$...
>>>>>>>> Better
>>>>>>>> value with the MM-I
>>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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Replies: Reply from rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler) ([Leica] New Monochrome results)
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