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Subject: [Leica] So much for "film is forever"..
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:41:10 +0530
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Good one!
Cheers
Jayanand

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com> 
wrote:

> "I tell ya, the only way to preserve your work is to be famous. Then
> everybody wants it, there will be plenty of copies around, and people who
> own the prints will take care of them. The rest of us are probably 
> screwed."
>
> Quote by Mike Johnston, TOP
>
> On 5/14/2015 7:37 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>
>> I have been following this thread with interest, as this is a problem that
>> all of us have, and my primary takeaway is that all archival systems seem
>> to be deeply flawed in the long term, so we might as well use the one that
>> is convenient to us and not worry about it. As Keynes said, in the long
>> term we are all dead. Your pictures, however, are damned either way....:-)
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Spencer Cheng <spencer at aotera.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  We are going way off topic here so this is my last comment. I did not say
>>> to store your digital media using microfiche.
>>>
>>> I am aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone from NIST)
>>> working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized fashion.
>>>
>>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require regular active
>>> copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to protect again
>>> deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence.
>>>
>>> If you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay ephemeral
>>> despite of what you believe.
>>>
>>> Mark, do as you wish but 1?s magically becomes 0?s in digital media
>>> whether you believe it?s going to happen or not. Good Luck.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>  On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  From the Library of Congress  (USA)
>>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or digitization for
>>>> reformatting institutional collections?....
>>>>
>>>> " That said, the end of microfilming is near, despite it's relatively
>>>> low
>>>> cost and the several hundred year projected lifetime of preservation
>>>>
>>> film.
>>>
>>>> The National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants for
>>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to
>>>> maintain
>>>> and service."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescopy
>>>>
>>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method
>>>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for 100+ years (or
>>>>>
>>>> acid-free
>>>
>>>> paper for documents). The Canadian census was stored that way. ?was?
>>>>>
>>>> because I
>>>
>>>> am not sure we have a real census any more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Digital storage is very
>>>>
>>>>> ephemeral. I doubt if most digital storage will last more than 10
>>>>>
>>>> years. Those
>>>
>>>> 1?s randomly change to 0?s far too frequently. I don?t think archivist
>>>>>
>>>> like
>>>
>>>> digital media very much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
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>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from boulanger.croissant at gmail.com (Peter Klein) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from spencer at aotera.org (Spencer Cheng) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from leica at jayburleson.com (Jay Burleson) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)