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Subject: [Leica] Statistics
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:41:14 -0500
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Tina,

I have not had these problems with the Fuji X-E1, but I don't travel as 
you do.  A few well-placed pieces of black tape would secure some of 
those switches, such as the focus selector.  Get creative, and nail them 
down. :-)

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 7/14/2014 4:32 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> I really don't understand what you are saying, Steve.  I bought the Fuji to
> use Auto-focus.  The photos with the Fuji that are out of focus are all
> because something changed on the camera.  They are not just focused on the
> wrong spot.  They are totally out of focus either because manual focus was
> turned on, or, for a few, because the aperture was changed to 22 and there
> was not enough light.  With the 14/2.8 lens, there are at least 3 ways
> to accidentally change to manual focus.  Every time I picked up the camera
> some setting had changed.  Evidently my hands hit right where that MCS
> switch is on the front.  It happened so many times that I had to check
> every setting on the camera every time I started to use it.  With the
> 14/2.8 lens the collar would slip back, making the lens manual focus.  I
> don't chimp that often so I sometimes took hours worth of photos before
> realizing that the camera was not focusing.
>
> When my Leica photos are out of focus it's because I couldn't see well
> enough to focus the camera.  There is no auto-focus failure.
>
> Tina
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>
>>> ALL of the out of focus errors with the Fuji were caused by a switch or
>>> button or lens collar moving to a different position by itself.
>>
>> Tina, the subject of this e-mail is statistics... I have shot with both
>> Fuji and Leica. I reluctantly have to offer a couple thoughts,
>>
>> 1.this simply does not happen. (bouncing in a truck or changes by curious
>> kids playing is different).  If this were to explain all, then no 
>> exposures
>> are oof for any of the usual reasons
>> 2.when you shoot with the leica, for each image, the settings will be
>> reset in any case.
>> 3.people in the past have noted that a high % of difficult leica exposures
>> are oof...this has ranged from perhaps 10% to a majority of times....
>>
>> (the common problem that can be very hard and annoying to find initially
>> is a change in the switch on the front, but one learns, as Frank Dernie
>> mentioned.)
>>
>>
>>
>> The manual
>>> focus switch on the front, the aperture ring, the manual/auto focus
>> collar
>>> on the lenses, the exposure controls all moved too easily, especially
>>> bouncing in the back of a truck or messed with by curious kids.  I got so
>>> paranoid that I had to check every setting before I took a photo;
>>> therefore, I used the Leicas more and more on the trip.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Frank Dernie <
>> Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The focus (or oof) rate is very interesting.
>>>> My observation with autofocus has always been that unless I take a long
>>>> time making sure the autofocus sensor is exactly where I wish focus to
>>>> fall, or I am using a slowish zoom, stopped down, autofocus shots often
>>>> disappoint by not quite having focus where I want it.
>>>> Is this the possibly why you rejected so many of the Fuji shots, or were
>>>> they mainly macro (which almost always have some oof problems IME...).
>> Or
>>>> is it just me who hasn't mastered autofocus for anything other than
>>>> quicksilver grandchildren!
>>>> Frank D
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Jul, 2014, at 22:25, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PESO:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the kind of thing you can research when you have LR ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have finally finished editing all of the photos from Honduras.  I
>> took
>>>>> 1839 photos in all:  869 with the Fuji, 549 with the M240, and 411 with
>>>> the
>>>>> MM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of those, I deleted 243 that were out of focus: 206 with the Fuji, 23
>>>> with
>>>>> the M240, and 14 with the MM.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From the remaining, I gave my highest rating of 4 stars to 103 photos:
>> 33
>>>>> with the Fuji, 22 with the M240, and 48 with the MM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the 7 lenses I used, the ones that did the best were the Leica
>> 35/2.0,
>>>>> Leica 50/1.4, and Leica 90/2.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have concluded is that I love the results I get with the MM.  I
>>>> will
>>>>> be carrying it more often in the future, along with those three lenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not giving up on the Fuji, but it certainly did not solve my
>> focusing
>>>>> problem and I was encouraged by the number that I did get in focus with
>>>> the
>>>>> Leicas!  Maybe all of that focusing I did with the Auto-refractor
>> helped
>>>> ;-)
>>>>> I hope this is interesting to some.  It was invaluable to me.  I'll be
>>>>> posting some of the 4's next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Manley
>>>>> http:// <http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/>www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Tina Manley
>>> http:// <http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/>www.tinamanley.com
>>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/
>>>
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In reply to: Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Statistics)
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