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Subject: [Leica] Computer Question
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:43:40 -0400
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No, it's an external drive for my laptop and plugs into the eSata port.  As
far as I know, there is not room inside my laptop for another hard drive.
 This is the only machine I work on so working on different computers is
not a problem.  I have installed the beta LR5 but am just using it with a
temporary catalog.

Thanks!

Tina


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Tina there is some confusion sorry. I thought that you were talking about
> adding an SSD internally  to your desktop not to a laptop?
>
> With either you can have your LR catalogue on an external drive, including
> all of your image files if you want. As far as I know you cannot use the
> same catalogue in two machines and you cannot have it on a network
> drive.You can merge a catalogue from one to the other computer though.
>
> One of the new developments in LR5 may be of interest to you when it is
> released in its official form (don't do this with a beta).
> There is a new capability to use smart previews of your images on a
> different computers and be able to edit and later transfer those edits to
>  another computer with the actual files. These are lossy (and hence much
> smaller) DNG versions of the originals you can choose to create on import
> or later. You probably would not want to do this with your entire library
> for size reasons though. You can just work on some folders of current stuff
> perhaps.
>
> This discussion has the potential to get bigger and bigger, sorry. I can
> send you some links to Lightroom resources that may be helpful if you like.
>
>
> *Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 27 May 2013 07:01, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Geoff.  That's very helpful. I'm printing out the article.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Frank that is not all correct. Information written to an SSD does not
> > > disappear when you power off. They certainly can be used as swap drives
> > > though, They certainly do read and write faster. That is what they are
> > for.
> > > Perhaps you are referring to using a USB flash drive as a RAM addition
> > for
> > > the ready boost function in Windows?
> > >
> > > Tina in simple terms a Solid State Drive (SSD) is effectively a much
> > faster
> > > to access version of your standard hard drive. They are now commonly
> used
> > > by enthusiasts especially instead of a traditional type as the main or
> at
> > > least first drive in your computer.For example the current fast and
> light
> > > laptops called ultrabooks typically have only an SSD.
> > > In an enthusiast photo computer you can use multiple drives, one for
> your
> > > operating system, another for the swap files of Windows or the camera
> raw
> > > cache for,Photoshop and Lightroom etc another perhaps for bulk storage.
> > > SSDs still cost much more per Gigabyte than traditional hard drives
> > though.
> > >
> > > It really depends on how comfortable you are inside your computer. I
> > would
> > > suggest for most people it is best to have professional help although
> > just
> > > adding an SSD and setting the camera raw cache to it is not too
> > difficult.
> > > The drive is usually put in an adapter that lets you put it in a spare
> > bay
> > > in your case and connected with a single data cable and a power cable.
> In
> > > Ps and Lr preferences you then point to the new drive instead of the
> > > default that was created in your main drive.
> > > You may want to review your whole system though. To give you some ideas
> > > what is possible, here is an article by a local professional expert.
> > There
> > > is a lot of other useful information on his site too. Be warned this
> > > article is abut a real enthusiast level computer specifically for hard
> > core
> > > image professionals ;-)
> > > <
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/questions/141/Build%20a%20powerful%20PC%20for%20Photoshop%20and%20other%20imaging%20applications
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Breathe in, breathe out, move on* -- Jimmy Buffett
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27 May 2013 05:29, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I reviewed the specs and manual that you got with the drive.....
> > > >
> > > > First,, let me ask you what about your computer is "slow"?  Opening
> > > files?
> > > > Saving files? LR4 or PS (whatever) version is slow to act upon
> > commands?
> > > > Other?
> > > >
> > > > Another way to ask that question is to ask you what did you expect
> this
> > > > product to do for you?  ( same possible answers as above)
> > > >
> > > > The item you bought is a SSD, Solid State drive.  Its purpose is to
> > speed
> > > > up
> > > > the OS, speed up frequently used files, etc.  It replaces the
> > mechanical
> > > > HDD
> > > > with a solid state one.. My understanding ( and I could be wrong) is
> > that
> > > > upon starting up the computer, the CPU takes files from your regular
> > old
> > > > boot HDD, and copies them over to the SSD.  Then, when needed, the
> CPU
> > > > accesses the files not from the mechanical HDD, but rather this SSD.
> > > > Significantly shorter delays, significantly faster speeds of those
> > files
> > > on
> > > > the SSD.
> > > >
> > > > Having said that, the SSD does NOT save any files permanently.  Shut
> > off
> > > > power, and it goes blank.  Nada.  Nothing. Saving or accessing files
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > as slow as before.  They will be saved on the mechanical HDD.
> > > >
> > > > What I would say is that the SSD will accelerate the CPU operations
> > that
> > > > are
> > > > cached, including applications like ( and I say MAYBE here) LR4 or PS
> > > > whatever, and OS, but ( in your specific case) also including those
> > parts
> > > > of
> > > > a  file that are cached during image processing.
> > > >
> > > > It will NOT speed up the storage of files.  Either write or read.
> > > >
> > > > Does this help you to understand what you bought?
> > > >
> > > > Frank Filippone
> > > > Red735i at verizon.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009LI7CTY/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UT
> > > > F8&psc=1
> > > >
> > > > I thought it would be an external drive that I could hook up to USB
> but
> > > > it's
> > > > not!  There are evidently ways to install it in a drive bay, which I
> do
> > > > have.  What do I need to do that?  Is there any way to use it as an
> > > > external
> > > > hard drive or would that defeat the purpose?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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