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Subject: [Leica] Adobe kills Creative Suite – all future features online only • The Register
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 18:05:35 +0530
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General discontent:

https://www.facebook.com/adobecreativecloud

Cheers
Jayanand

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Well now Jayanand I didn't want to disappoint you when you took a swipe at 
> Adobe again ;-) I think you are talking about opinions or preferences 
> though. Nothing wrong with different viewpoints there. What did I say that 
> wasn't fact?
>
> cheers
> Geoff
>
> On 07/05/2013, at 14:57, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Geoff,
>> I expected a retort from you. No problem - you believe what you must, and 
>> I
>> will believe what I must.
>>
>> I have spent my working life understanding companies and corporate
>> behaviour, so I am very clear on what is generally good and what is not so
>> good for the end consumer, and I have learnt (by losing money by making
>> biased investments) to be pretty clear headed about it, so there is, I
>> think, a minimum of bias involved. Others can agree or not - I have no
>> problems with that - I am only making a point as I see it.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
>> gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Jayanand, Cloud based applications are becoming more prevalent for good 
>>> or
>>> worse. Not unique to Adobe though. Microsoft being the 800 lb gorilla of
>>> course. Your two favourite companies I think ;-)
>>> DNG of course is what we have from Leicas so I don't think it helps much
>>> to rail against it on a nominally Leica list . The format makes perfect
>>> sense for the small company.
>>> There's no endless debate on Canon/Nikon openly publishing their
>>> proprietary Raw data. Nikon at least do not. Nikon have issued joint
>>> statements with Adobe in the past. You can use Adobe applications with
>>> Nikon NEF files natively or you can convert them to DNG. Nikon requires 
>>> you
>>> to have their software to access the encrypted WB information. How is 
>>> their
>>> proprietary format not a monopoly and Adobe's documented open standard 
>>> that
>>> any company can implement for free a monopoly?
>>> I shoot quite a bit with my D600 and had the D7000 before that. As is
>>> obvious they do some things better than M's. Personally I have never
>>> observed any practical differences comparing the original NEF's and DNG's
>>> converted from them. I don't care at all about their encrypted WB
>>> information either. I do prefer some of the advantages of the DNG's for 
>>> my
>>> workflow. That is only personal choice though. I never installed the free
>>> version of the Nikon software at all and paying more for their full
>>> featured version doesn't make sense to me when I already use LR anyway. 
>>> I'm
>>> sure that there are many people content with the Nikon offerings only.
>>> cheers
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> On 07/05/2013, at 13:04, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Typical Adobe behaviour and pricing. The power of monopoly in full flow!
>>>> They really are one of the few general market consumer software 
>>>> companies
>>>> that can get away with this sort of predatory pricing and behaviour. I
>>>> remember propagating the view during the endless debate on Canon/Nikon
>>> not
>>>> openly publishing their proprietary RAW data so that Adobe could design 
>>>> a
>>>> better Camera RAW, that the real danger was Adobe, not the camera
>>>> manufacturers, because they are a monopoly, and that is always the most
>>>> dangerous type of entity for end users. Now that axiom is coming home to
>>>> roost. I really do not understand why anybody would want to even more
>>>> firmly get into their clutches by using DNG (unless unavoidable, i.e.
>>>> Leica).
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/adobe_kills_creative_suite_for_cloud/
>>>>>
>>>>> That should save some money, shame that they do not realise that we do
>>> not
>>>>> all live in the USA or Europe and have high latency to their servers 
>>>>> :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>>
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