Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/02/07

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Subject: [Leica] my friend Karel
From: cedric.agie at (Cedric Agie)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 20:25:49 +0100
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If I'm wel informed production started about 1949 and officially ended
in 1960 both in Germany and Canada. I received one from a friend, it
was a screw type and in near mint condition. I used it on my M-9 and
kept it for only a few weeks. Not because it was bad but because
Summicrons are much better, even at large openings. Wich is not the
case with most Summarits or Summitars etc. It's predecessor was the
famous Xenon made in 1936 for scientific and military use. A much
cheaper version was the Summitar 50mm collapsibe lens I hated even

New glasstypes (high refraction index) developped by Leitz after the
war gave revolutionnary advances in optics and photography. This give
us the totally new generation of the Summicron and Summilux lenses
etc. It even permitted the upgrading of the good old Elmar 50mm 3.5 to
the new Elmar 50 mm 2.8 just by using the new glasstypes and without
changing any dimensions. A lens I soon was in love with. Same story
with the Summaron 35 mm and all other lenses that followed.

If you like or even love a lens and have good results, don't sell it.


2013/2/7 David English <daveenglish at>:
> Thank you for your comments, Cedric. The serial number on this lens places 
> in the 1953 production year., for whatever that may mean. I used the lens 
> on my M3. I had the lens CLA'd  last year and that improved it's 
> performance.
> David
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Cedric Agie <cedric.agie at> wrote:
>> In my opinion you can never judge a lens or camera from the normal
>> screen of a PC.
>> But these are really good pictures alas made with a lens I never trusted.
>> I have to ad that some of the first Summicrons lenses appeared
>> disguised behind Summarit markings to see reactions.
>> You might deduce it from the serial number.
>> Maybe this is one. Or you might have an exceptionally good Summarit.
>> Kind Regards
>> Cedric
>> 2013/2/7 philippe.amard <philippe.amard at>:
>>> A very nice portrait of a seemingly very kind person indeed.
>>> Sweet BW tones and sharp when needed too BTW
>>> And such a smile ;-)
>>> Amiti?s
>>> Philippe
>>> Le 7 f?vr. 13 ? 09:06, David English a ?crit :
>>>> today I visited my old friend Karel, a jeweler, craftsman, philosopher 
>>>> and
>>>> all around good person.
>>>> I used the M9 with the 50mm Summarit 1.4.
>>>> Whaddyathink?
>>>> David
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