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Subject: [Leica] Tape backup? time for a pic?
From: john.nebel at csdco.com (John Nebel)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:19:35 -0700
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Yes, one needs to be aware of changing formats, same with disks.

... and expected lifetime

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On 12/15/12 8:50 AM, Ric Carter wrote:
> regarding tape backup
>
> there are different tape formats--if you use one for years and it fails, 
> it is easy to find your tapes unreadable
>
> we had this happen at the office
>
> we now use a network HD and local offsite via internet
>
> ric
>
> On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:14 AM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> wrote:
>
>> <http://photos.csd.net/library.html>
>>
>> An old pic, now using lto4/5, but the idea is the same.  Lots of terabyte 
>> tapes used in rotation, periodically moved to other locations.  Granted, 
>> a somewhat heavyweight solution, but not needing a robot to do the work, 
>> the same reliability can be achieved on a desktop or within a PC.
>>
>> Never underestimate the bandwidth of an SUV full of tapes.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 12/15/12 7:59 AM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Richard Man <richard at 
>>> richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, at $180 for 2TB, that's 10 drives for $1800.
>>>>
>>>> Unused drives sitting around is less reliable than unused tapes, sitting
>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yeah but, if you are using the backup software, the hds get exercised.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you can buy a lot of hard drive terrabytes for 1800 bucks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Richard Man <
>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well one of my 2TB drive in the back up system just gave up the ghost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have ~2TB of images right now, and sure to grow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know there were a few discussions on back up systems for photos, but
>>>> I
>>>>>> don't think tape back up got much attention. Anyone using it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am more or less down to choosing between tape back up or Amazon
>>>>> Glacier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The nice thing about Glacier is that it is entirely offsite. The major
>>>>>> downside is that while it is much cheaper than other online storage, 
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> $0.01 per GB per month, with 2TB of data, that's still $240 per year
>>>> and
>>>>>> will be more as I take more photos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The nice thing about tape is that it is cheap enough ($60-$100 per 2
>>>> TB)
>>>>>> that I can make at least one duplicate copy. The downside is that the
>>>>>> initial equipment purchase costs $1300-$1800 (and up) and I will have
>>>> to
>>>>>> find an offsite solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The default is to continue with hard drive back up. The major problem
>>>> is
>>>>>> reliability. For business data, I have a a RAID netstation and 
>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>> back up on different systems, but for photos, doing the same is just
>>>> not
>>>>>> fiscally viable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny
>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/
>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>>>
>>>>> USA
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>
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