Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Le 29 ao?t 12 ? 15:52, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : > Last year I spent around 5 months committing to B&W with my D700. > I rigged it so its what I saw in my monitor on the back of the camera. > I think I did so by having a monochrome jpeg be shot but also a > normal RAW. > When they popped up on my computer monitor the Raw files would be > black and > white momentary but would convert in a few moments to color. I > rigged up a > thing where I'd select them all hit a key and they'd go back to the > monochrome what I saw in the back of my camera. Often with a not so > subtle > color toning cool or warm or some odd thing. Green even. > Most of these images when I got to them a year later I went with color > versions of them. And threw away the old monocrome .psd Photoshop > files. > But those files were washed out looking as I did them with my > macbook pro > screen. Now that I'm working with a NEC bigger and easier to calibrate > screen my images are much more viable. They have blacks. I spent a > few > years making washed out images with no blacks. I wish you guys > woulda told > me! > I think I had told you, but well, that was your signature tne Mark, and worked nicely on the night flowers IMHO the D700 systematically exposes to the right, a slight click on the black slider in LR usually gives a shot some punch, to the detriment of subtlety though Keep the night flowers coming as was Mark Amiti?s Philippe > I had one macro so they'd all be a cool black another for warm. And > I'd go > in phases heading out to shoot a bunch of cool or warm images. > > Don't know if the new Leica Monochrom has that or not but for me it > would be > a most welcome addition to my workflo to put it as inanely as > possible. > I was a black and white darkroom person for many decades. Thursday > nights > were generally all nighter darkroom nights for Friday print deadlines. > But I always had access to a color rental darkroom where I'd make > contact > sheets from negs I'd get back in 30 minutes and make prints with the > same > dodging and burning and easel as my black and white. Same el Nikkor > lens > too. > So I had no qualms about color. > As I did more promotional photography than magazine work shot was > more color > neg than transparency. But I was able to print the slides too either > with > the use of an internet which I'd help make or direct positive in the > same > lab. > I never found color to be an artistic compromise. Though my gallery > showings > were mainly from my own darkroom. > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:54:11 +0100 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] SHOOTING B&W? - HENNING >> >> I agree with you Henning, and for a long time I had trouble getting >> my head >> around things. It is all to do with that lovely word >> 'previsualisation'. When >> we first see an image we previsualise how it will look as a print >> and make a >> split-second decision on whether it will be in b&w or colour. We >> then shoot >> accordingly but when it pops up on the screen we have to make that >> decision >> all over again and very often the decision goes in the opposite >> direction to >> our original thought so we end up with a mediocre colour image >> because we shot >> it as b&w (or occasionally the other way around). >> >> I have finally managed to get my head around this (I think!) but it >> now occurs >> to me that one possibility, if the camera will allow, is to shoot >> raw+jpeg but >> set the jpeg to b&w in your menu. That way you can just look at the >> jpegs in >> the first instance by selecting only them in a program like >> Lightroom etc. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> >> Gerry >> >> Gerry Walden >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >> www.gwpics.com >> >> On 28 Aug 2012, at 23:11, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I find it rather hard to shoot B&W with the regular flavour >>> (colour) digital >>> cameras. No matter how I think in B&W, when I chimp I still see >>> colour, >>> unless I shoot in jpeg and I'm not going down that route. If I see >>> the LCD >>> with a colour image and start getting that in my head, I have >>> trouble taking >>> the next picture for B&W, especially if its just a slight >>> variation on the >>> first. >>> >>> The best I can do with a regular camera is with the M8 or M9; >>> there I can >>> just shoot, turn off the LCD and not chimp and I see through the >>> viewfinder >>> what I would see with any M camera loaded with B&W camera I ever >>> had. So >>> right now I shoot colour with the M9 and B&W with the M8; I can >>> get my mind >>> around that. Also, since I've always had trouble really getting my >>> mind >>> around shooting colour and B&W on the same day, I usually only >>> take one or >>> the other. >>> >>> When I was shooting a lot of 4x5 for assignments, clients would >>> sometimes ask >>> me to shoot both colour and B&W for them, and I'd have to ask >>> which was the >>> more important? Then I'd get into that frame of mind and bring >>> back a good >>> set of the primary type and a not so good set of the other. If it >>> was medium >>> format stuff I'd usually try to shoot one type first and then come >>> back the >>> next day for the other, if the budget allowed for it and >>> everything else >>> cooperated. Just having two cameras loaded with different film >>> didn't give >>> optimum results for one or the other. >>> >>> I'm extremely tempted by the MM, and if the M10 wouldn't be >>> announced in a >>> month I'd probably order an MM. But I'll wait and see. >>> >>> Henning >>> >>> >>> On 2012-08-27, at 2:46 PM, Tina Manley wrote: >>> >>>> I am getting the MM for the new sensor with higher ISO >>>> performance and >>>> better resolution. I will carry two cameras, the M9 for color >>>> and the MM >>>> for B&W, just like I did with film. I don't see how that will >>>> hamper my >>>> success as a B&W photographer. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Gerry Walden >>>> <gerry.walden at me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For me one of the most useful attributes of the new digital >>>>> realm most of >>>>> us move in is that we have a black and white camera and a colour >>>>> camera >>>>> built into one. What is more, we have every speed of film plus >>>>> some at our >>>>> disposal every time we put that camera to our eye. i do not need >>>>> a b&w >>>>> camera and a colour camera. I have them both in a single unit >>>>> and can use >>>>> them accordingly. If you continue thinking of b&w as a 'spin- >>>>> off' of the >>>>> colour digital camera you have slung around your neck you will >>>>> never be a >>>>> successful b&w photographer. It would be like owning a car and >>>>> only ever >>>>> using one of its gears. >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> >>>>> Gerry Walden >>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>>> www.gwpics.com >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 21:54, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And they look quite good! Occasionally it's nice to feel... >>>>>>> "Well that >>>>> kinda looks like I still have the touch!" And smile inwardly! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> You have worked long enough >>>>>> and hard enough >>>>>> to have the soul of a photographer >>>>>> firmly and permanently installed. >>>>>> Ain't never ever go'n away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>> >>> >>> Henning Wulff >>> henningw at archiphoto.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information