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Subject: [Leica] Some technical speculations re: rangefinder
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:59:09 -0400

Yep a jump in technology requires more than a tweak and those happen too
with Leica. Well the difference between the M9 and the M10 will be they
replace the sensor. That's not going to sound like a big jump in technology
for everybody. But some may think of it as being no longer stuck with a
Leica with Iso 200 film stuck inside the camera but with iso 1600 in it.
Pushed even.  And as Robert Frost used to say:
"And that has made all the difference."
 
The big question in the end may be why was this not done three years ago.
because they were too busy replacing their  lens line with super fast
versions no pro photographer could never afford then paying off Magnum to be
seen using them. And coming out with a medium format system that we can
maybe afford to rent for a day.
Once that M10 comes out (and no it won't be cheaper than an M9 it will be
more expensive) we'll see who's got some Leica glass still left unmoldy in
their attic and can afford 7 grand to get them going as an alternate system
to their DSLR's. A lot of people will be making appointments to see their
banker. What do bankers do now laugh?


Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:44:14 -0700
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Some technical speculations re: rangefinder
> 
> Mark, I think you are missing the point......
> 
> What is the difference between the M4 + Top mounted Meter and an M6?  The
> Meter is built into the M6.  What was wrong with the old meter?  Nothing.
> What is right about the built in meter?  It sees through the lens.  It is a
> major improvement in functionality.
> 
> What is the difference between an M6 and an M7?  The electronic shutter.
> What was wrong with the old shutter?  Nothing.  What is right about the new
> shutter?  It is more easily and automatically calibrated and needs no
> tweaking to stay in calibration.  It is a major improvement in
> functionality.
> 
> What is the difference between an M7 and an M8?  The M7 requires film, the
> M8 is digital capture.  What is wrong with film ( other than the places to
> get it developed competently is about zero)?  Nothing.  What is right about
> digital capture?  It is the present and future of photography.  It is a
> major improvement in functionality.
> 
> What is the difference between a M3-M9 RF/VF and the imaginary ( at this
> time) M+Electronic RF/VF?  The RF is now TTL.  What is wrong with the old
> RF/VF ?  Nothing.  What is right about the Electronic functionality?  It is
> not subject to initial nor long term calibration.  It is a major 
> improvement
> in functionality.  WYSIWYG.
> 
> It is not always about keeping the old nor about "fixing" some current
> feature... if the old or current can be improved upon.  It is about the 
> user
> experience and making it less "difficult".....
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at earthlink.net
> 
> 
> The Leica M10 will be an M9 with a CMOS sensor.
> That's pretty much end of story.
> Is there anything else they need to fix? I'm thinking no not really.
> 
> 
>  to be fixed and certainly not rethought. Again its been slowly
> tweaked  and used for many decades.
> 
> The Leica LTM and then  M camera is an extension of optical mechanical
> tradition going back to 1920 and the microscopes they made before that. Its
> not something they're going to be asking software designers in silicon
> valley to rethink for them. Perhaps they'll ask some retired Swiss watch
> makers if any are still alive?
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
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