Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/13

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:30:37 -0700
References: <CBFE6F8A.1F965%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> Yes its really helpful to be judging an image in its original size like 
> this
> rather than a reduced version which is not going to care if its was shot
> with a 100 or 1000 dollar lens or camera system.
> My default in my galleries and in much other stuff I've done is 1200 pixels
> on the large side. Way smaller than this.
> I wait till its reduced  to its final size before I unsharp mask or go into
> areas selectively and anti noise.
> I don't feel bad about 1200px across I think its way bigger than the 
> average
> stuff you see. But way to small to know anything conclusively about the
> image and camera and lens.



it must have been hard for you to shoot for the newspaper....



> 
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bd at bdcolenphoto.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:09:40 +0000
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
>> 
>> 1. We rarely see images 1 to 1
>> 2. The enlarger comparison is pretty much irrelevant as the idea of 
>> shooting a
>> 6400 and getting vaguely useable images was simply not an issue. Remember
>> Kodak Recording film? 3200 ASA? The images looked like pictures created 
>> with
>> pebbles on a beach. ;-)
>> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:05:45
>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
>> 
>> To me it looks anti noised a bit too much. In other worlds it would look
>> better noisier. To me its the analog equivalent of putting tissue or dirty
>> saran wrap in front of an enlarging lens. You just don't ever want to do
>> that. You want to see the real grain which is there becuae out of that 
>> grain
>> comes the image. Less grain less information which is there; we are just 
>> now
>> allowed to see it.
>> In digital its not quite the same. We can anti  noise the noise not grain
>> just a tad to take some of the edgy sandpaper ness off until it gets to be
>> too much and we are cut off from the information we should be seeing in 
>> the
>> image. And that in terms of photography from both the craft and art sake: 
>> a
>> big no no.
>> It's human nature to want to see all the detail  that was there in the
>> original file rather than to have it smoothed over on us into jelly bean
>> sauce.
>> Odds are we'd not be viewing the image at one to one anyway.
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:51:03 +0100
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> I have uploaded a 6400iso image at
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gwpics/1X--1075.jpg.html. It is at full
>>> resolution. It is a little more noisy than I would normally anticipate 
>>> but I
>>> suspect that this is due to the heavy red lighting chosen by the lighting
>>> engineer for this particular gig. All information is in the usual place 
>>> in
>>> the
>>> gallery.
>>> 
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> Gerry Walden
>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>> www.gwpics.com
>>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2012, at 22:09, Richard Man wrote:
>>> 
>>>> BD or any of you X-Pro users - how well do the AF work in low light? 
>>>> e.g.
>>>> one that would require ISO 2500 and F2 1/30, i.e. EV2?
>>>> 
>>>> I won't be getting the X-Pro1, but if my eyes continue its trajectory, I
>>>> may have to get an X-Pro-2 or X-Pro-3.
>>>> 
>>>> Or may be an E-M7...
>>>> 
>>>> I need very clean ISO3200....
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> While there is no question modern Leica glass is unparalleled, I'd say,
>>>>> having used the Leica glass on film, the lenses for the Fuji Xpro1 are 
>>>>> damn
>>>>> good. Keep in mind that Fuji made the Xpan, made at least one other 
>>>>> Hassie,
>>>>> and I seem to remember a number of Luggers raving about the 'Texas 
>>>>> Leicas'
>>>>> Fuji produced. The Xpro1 is a quirky little beast, but I think the 
>>>>> biggest
>>>>> the biggest complaint one reads - that the autofocus is too slow, comes
>>>>> from people who have never shot with a manual focus camera, much less a
>>>>> rangefinder, and judge everything by the likes of a Nikon D4. If you're
>>>>> used to an M9, an M3, or, for that matter, a IIIF, you'll think the
>>>>> autofocus is more than fast and accurate enough.
>>>>> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David Keenan <ausdlk at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
>>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:16:40
>>>>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M lenses on the Fuji X-Pro 1
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rod --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Give up the idea of using M lenses on this camera and buy it only for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> merits of the AF Fuji lenses.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you don't see these merits and you insist on manual focusing (even 
>>>>> with
>>>>> the Fuji adapter), I can almost guarantee disappointment and/or lots of
>>>>> out-of-focus pictures.
>>>>> .
>>>>> Dave.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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