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Subject: [Leica] Ming Thein part 3 - MM vs D800E in B&W
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:57:52 -0400
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Not at all. In bright light, the M9 easily outperforms the D700 with 18 
non-aliased MP over 12 with some light antialiasing.  The tradeoff is that 
the D700 is so good at low-light performance that some D700 owners are not 
going to worry about what an MM can do at ISO 10,000.  Ming Thein's dead 
heat in mono between an MM and a D800E essentially damns the MM with faint 
praise.

Dante

On May 27, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Richard Man wrote:

> While it's a good point, the Leica M9 has similar price / performance issue
> with, lets say the Nikon D700. So it's nothing new here in that sense. M9
> shooters choose it because of other factor, mainly that it's a rangefinder
> and with the advantages that come with it.
> 
> I can say for certain that I would have gotten some images that I did not
> get at the Occupy if I had an MM. I cannot say that if I had a Nikon.
> 
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at 
> ameritech.net>wrote:
> 
>> It's a new version of that lens from the 2000s, but your point is a good
>> one.
>> 
>> It's not that an MM holds its own with a 36mp camera. It's that a $3600
>> outfit involving an OK lens is performing at the same level as a system
>> including the best 50 ever, costing a total of $16,000, having no color
>> capability and allowing no highlight recoverability.
>> 
>> There is no comparison for size/weight, and for some purposes, it's better
>> to use traditional contrast filters, but still... most people with the
>> money to even consider a MM have some understanding of marginal utility.
>> 
>> Dante
>> 
>> On May 27, 2012, at 9:20 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The lens he tested the 50AA against is the old pancake 45mm lens, isn't
>> it?
>>> 
>>> Having said all that, the results for a 40+ year old $100 lens + $3500
>> body
>>> compared to a new, SOTA $7000 lens + $9000 body is pretty upsetting.
>>> 
>>> Nikon did pretty well... in fact, for the $12,000 difference in price,
>> the
>>> image results indicate the 50AA + M9m is way overpriced and outclassed
>> on a
>>> value for money equivalent.
>>> 
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> Red735i at earthlink.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This I did not notice, I must say.  I wonder why he didn't spring
>>> ~$200 for a 50/1.8 G lens?  It really seems a weird 'comparison' to me.
>>> 
>>> Marty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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