Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/26

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Meli
From: gerry.walden at me.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:59:44 +0100
References: <CA+yJO1ASKioWADSnZeW3RmcfhZygLUzJ3GW4n1sXFw-N58_BeQ@mail.gmail.com> <CFF72052-606C-497A-8CFD-4981536674FA@me.com> <CA+yJO1ARaMTHvcC-DHdR80oJ7JTOVgcWAoZz7LxNi1vG+SgNdg@mail.gmail.com> <D810265D-07DB-4A8B-8188-63756CEA1BA5@me.com> <CA+yJO1AKbzz-dGue=z+VOWhMMjJ8QvNuG1ABEZX3GtBpOfxpBA@mail.gmail.com>

I just wonder when the agencies will realise the images they are getting are 
so staged as to be unreal.

Gerry

Gerry Walden
+44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
+44 (0)797 287 7932
www.gwpics.com

On 26 May 2012, at 13:07, Tina Manley wrote:

> I agree 100%, Gerry.  I needed the releases to use the photos for
> fund-raising and the people understood that.  Since I stay with the
> families for about a week, one release covers hundreds of photos.  Of
> course I told them what the release said and what it meant to sign it.  It
> also gave me a way of keeping track of who is who so I can take the photos
> back to them later.  I'm sure Getty would not accept the releases I have
> but that's not a problem because I would never sell through Getty anyway!
> 
> I agree the industry requirements are ridiculous but it's only going to get
> worse in the future!  I doubt we'll be able to use any photos featuring
> real people.  They will all be computer generated!
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the pretty full answer
>> 
>> Please do not take this in any way as a personal criticism, but you have
>> highlighted a point that I have felt so long about the whole model release
>> 'thing' which I have felt for a very long time. Most, if not all, agencies
>> now require releases for any image that shows a person no matter how
>> nebulous. You have a release for the person in a language they do not
>> understand with a signature which means nothing because it is merely a
>> mark. Is there any value to that release at all?
>> 
>> As I said, this is not a criticism of you in any way, but more of the
>> industry and the stupidity of its requirements where a release is now
>> required for a crowd scene which may contain several hundred people, and
>> for what. There is virtually no chance that those people would take action
>> in court for damages, and even less chance that they would win. As
>> photographers we have to pander to the stupidity of their requirements or
>> they will not use our images.
>> 
>> Rant over!
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> www.gwpics.com
>> 
>> On 25 May 2012, at 22:37, Tina Manley wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, such as they are!  I have pocket releases in Spanish sometimes
>> signed
>>> with an X but I have everybody's name.  Most adults cannot read and write
>>> in any language and the ones from the Mosquito Coast speak a variety of
>>> languages.  Usually, I find a child in the family who can read and she/he
>>> writes down all of the names and ages for me and then I can match the
>> names
>>> to the photos.  Everybody signs a pocket release and I have them all
>> filed
>>> by year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Gerry.
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I love the intimacy and simplicity of this image Tina.
>>>> 
>>>> As a matter of interest, did you get releases for all this work?
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Walden
>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 25 May 2012, at 20:56, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> PESO:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you hadn't guessed already, I'm scanning slides of Honduran children
>>>>> (61949) and it's way too hot to work outside today!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's one more:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/143566316
>>>>> 
>>>>> The ones I'm scanning now are a mixture of color negative (Fujicolor
>>>> 800),
>>>>> color slides (Astia or Provia, usually), and B&W negatives (TMax or
>>>> Tri-X).
>>>>> All processed in LR4.
>>>>> 
>>>>> C&C greatly appreciated
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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