Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/15

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Subject: [Leica] MM Review
From: lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:43:41 -0400
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I'm wondering if the matched pair of bodies isn't going to be the M10
& MM, since the M9 really isn't in the same resolving ballpark as the
MM. (Not that it's in a shabby stadium as is). ie Since I'd only ever
be able to afford one (M10 or MM), I might be better off waiting to
see what's up with the M10 specs, invest my bucks in that and live
with converting those images to bw.

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> For over 30 years I carried at least two M cameras - one with color film
> and one with B&W. ?I've missed thinking like that since I switched to
> digital. ?I'll be glad to go back two carrying 2 M cameras - one for color
> and one for B&W. ?I'm way beyond ever being able to go back to film. ?All
> of my darkroom stuff is packed up, I'm allergic to the chemicals and my
> print trays are now full of plant seedlings. ?I think Leica was thinking of
> their history with B&W photojournalism, documentary, and fine art
> photography. ?The Hermes editions are for the collectors. ?This one is for
> users.
>
> Tina
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at 
> mac.com>wrote:
>
>> I am wondering who really needs this MM camera. Especially at the price
>> point. I've shot black and white and colour with an M8 and now an M9 and
>> all the files are so good that it's scary.
>> You can print huge files with these camera files and with Nik software to
>> finesse your black and white files, they really are something.
>> I am really starting to think you get to a point with all of this hardware
>> and after a certain level it's all just trying to sell you something you
>> don't really need. At least for most people who are printing various sizes
>> if they print at all.
>> You
>> Look at the work of the old
>> Masters like Cartier-Bresson, Doisneau, Ilse Bing etc, even our own Dr.
>> Ted and the work stands the test of time even today with all the latest 
>> and
>> greatest gadgets.
>> Personally I'm tired of all the hype of the latest and greatest and am
>> just going to enjoy what I am fortunate to shoot with and not think twice
>> about M and M.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2012-05-14, at 7:50 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/kodak-760m.shtml
>> >
>> > john
>> > ________________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Well it was $25K and the Frankenstein Nikon/Kodak was really meant for
>> the newspaper biz but by then Canon was coming out with the 1D and that 
>> was
>> the end of the B&W only idea plus Kodak never could make their own camera
>> bodies. Fuji ran into the same
>> > problem even though Fuji had a kickass 1600iso before any one else.
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 14, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, when Kodak was in the digital dslr camera business they did, but
>> it wasn't commercially successful, for whatever reason ?I don't
>> know/remember. I do know that they could have been a player in the dslr
>> business, but dropped the ball. Probably so did Fuji.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:31 PM
>> >> To: Leica Users Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] MM Review
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >>
>> >> I believe Kodak produced one some years ago, based on a Nikon body.
>> ?Perhaps
>> >> he is referring to color files converted to B&W.
>> >>
>> >> Jim Nichols
>> >> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Baron" <
>> robertbaron1 at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:25 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] MM Review
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> I'm just curious here. ?When I read ?"He does say that the Leica MM
>> gives
>> >>> the best B&W
>> >>> files of any digital camera available." I ask: How many digital 
>> >>> cameras
>> >>> produce b&w files?
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not following this new stuff all that closely but that said I was
>> >>> unaware of any others.
>> >>>
>> >>> Enquiring Minds, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Bob
>> >>>
>> >>> ==On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Tina Manley <images at 
>> >>> comporium.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> LUG:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If anybody is considering the M Monochrom, I cannot recommend highly
>> enough
>> >>>> Sean Reid's review of the camera. ?It requires a subscription but is
>> well
>> >>>> worth the price. ?His information and insight about metering with the
>> >>>> camera are invaluable. ? He does say that the Leica MM gives the best
>> B&W
>> >>>> files of any digital camera available.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.reidreviews.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lots of good information here!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tina
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>> >>>>
>> >
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>
>
> --
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
>
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-- 
-Lew S.


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