Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/06

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Subject: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D (Cars)
From: grduprey at (grduprey at
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:05:06 -0600 (CST)

My wife bought her Jeep because it held all the stuff she wanted to haul, 
and the fact that all of the Minivans had dropped AWD, and our drive is 
uphill and very full of snow and ice in the winter.  She had gotten stuck 
several times a couple of winters ago in her minivan and vowed that she 
would not buy another vehicle that did not have AWD or 4WD while we live in 
the snow belt.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:26:48 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D (Cars)

Paul Fussell in his book "Class" suggests that the reason the then "Yuppies"
all wanted to drive "Jeeps" was that it suggested that they were doing
better than they really were. Very wealthy people lived on land in which
even with that top level of wealth they could not justify a paved driveway
which might be a mile long. It was left unpaved and to drive it in a Jeep
like car was more obvious than a normal car. Huge pot holes perhaps.
Decaying tree branches. Dead opossums.
There were a lot of very rich people driving Jeeps. The less rich noticed.
Hence the upsurge of Jeeps.
Plus they're more fun.

And driving is all about the illusion of invincibility.
When you drive an obvious death trap you are thumbing your nose at your own
mortality. Plus you are in love with your own wonderful decaying reflexes.
The seamlessness between you and your driving machine. And screw it that you
are a moving menace on wheels.
Mark R.

> From: Alan Magayne-Roshak <amr3 at>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:42:11 -0600 (CST)
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D (Cars)
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012  Tina Manley <images at> wrote:
>> But if you lived on a farm and had to carry large loads frequently, you
>> might have a different car!
>> Tina 
> ==============================================================================
> ================================================
> I should have been more clear.  I get your need on a farm.  But when city
> people talk of liking to ride up high, in a car bigger than logical, that's
> what puzzles me.
> Alan
> Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
> UPAA POY 1978
> University Information Technology Services
> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> "All the technique in the world doesn't compensate
> for an inability to notice. " - Elliott Erwitt
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