Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/02/07

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Subject: [Leica] leica m10
From: photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:24:57 -0500
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"rational photographer" Thanks! I like that!
But that's true. They have to pander to those buying their products en
masse.

Phil Forrest




On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:21:02 +0100
Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:

> Phil, you speak from the point of view of a rational photographer, a
> point of view which I share. But that is not Leica's market segment
> these days. The main market is nouveau riches in China and other
> emerging markets, and dilettantes in the West, who want neck
> jewellery. And that requires new models.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> http://www.nathanfoto.com
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> 
> 
> YNWA
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Phil Forrest wrote:
> 
> > Well, soft goods make the money for camera manufacturers, not camera
> > bodies. I can guarantee that if Leica put out such a device, they
> > wouldn't be able to make enough to satisfy demand. They can't
> > already on the M9 and its various models. Sure, it's not sexy but
> > that's what happens when you make a product that is both mature and
> > satisfies most of the user constituency. the bulk of M9 shooters
> > don't want or need the features that are included in the big DSLRs.
> > Once Leica goes that route and my M9 doesn't work anymore, I'll use
> > an old Nikon. Like the company being slow to adapt and adopt new
> > tech/ideas, I'll bet Leica users prefer the simplicity of shutter
> > speed, aperture, iso, focus as the only controls.
> > 
> > They shouldn't be forced to release a new camera model this year.
> > What they should do is make little but needed improvements in their
> > already existing line.
> > 
> > Phil Forrest
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:40:32 +0100
> > Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> > 
> >> Except that this autumn is the world's most important photo trade
> >> show, Photokina in Cologne. It only happens every other year, and
> >> Leica is expected to have something sexy and exciting for the
> >> occasion. Extended batteries just don't cut it in the sexiness
> >> department I'm afraid.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Nathan
> >> 
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> Alicante, Spain
> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >> http://www.nathanfoto.com
> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >> 
> >> 
> >> YNWA
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Phil Forrest wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I think the best upgrade would be an accessory, not unlike the
> >>> Leicavit, in which extended battery life could be gotten from.
> >>> Either by a new totally rechargeable set of Li-Ion Leica-specific
> >>> cells or by 6-8 rechargeable batteries available easily on the
> >>> drugstore shelf. The ability to use Alkaline, Lithium and NiMH
> >>> batteries could be added via a regulator switch in the new battery
> >>> pack body. I've been dreaming of something like this for a few
> >>> years now but no one has come up with it for some reason. I'm no
> >>> electrical engineer, nor do i have the tools or materials to
> >>> fashion the chassis of this battery pack.
> >>> But THIS is what we need, for existing M8 and M9 bodies, not an
> >>> M10.
> >>> 
> >>> Phil Forrest
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:50:41 +0000 (GMT)
> >>> FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> I don't actually -need- any of those :-)
> >>>> I would like a better buffer and speed but I suspect the price we
> >>>> have for the digital M being so small is no space for a big
> >>>> battery and not much power to drive faster chips. I am not so
> >>>> sure that battery technology has moved on far enough to resolve
> >>>> this. If it needed to be bigger of heavier I would stay with the
> >>>> smaller buffer since it is only rarely a limitation for me. I
> >>>> also like the idea of a built in 1.4 magnifier.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I am actually pretty happy with my M9. It is overall the best
> >>>> camera I have ever owned. FD
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: mehrdad <msadat at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> 
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 18:36
> >>>>> Subject: [Leica] leica m10
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> it seems that the new m digital is around the corner (sep/oct),
> >>>>> what shall we expect after three years and 8k price?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> i for one do need the following
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 1) image stabilization built in to the body (they can licsnce
> >>>>> this technology  from sony, thier old partner)
> >>>>> 2) much better buffer and more frames per second
> >>>>> 3) shooting movies with m (not for me)
> >>>>> 4) fuji x10/pro like view finder
> >>>>> 5) better battery life and better battery
> >>>>> 6) 36 meg is now the norm, so something close
> >>>>> 7) a built in 1.4x magnifier, that u can use at will
> >>>>> 8) all the given dynamic range and high iso performance (it is
> >>>>> now three yrs later)
> >>>>> 9) a better price but i think is is truly a dream
> >>>>> 10) do we care about live view?
> >>>>> -- 
> >>>>>  -------------------------------------
> >>>>>  regards, mehrdad
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>> information
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
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> >>> 
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In reply to: Message from msadat at gmail.com (mehrdad) ([Leica] leica m10)
Message from frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE) ([Leica] leica m10)
Message from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest) ([Leica] leica m10)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] leica m10)
Message from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest) ([Leica] leica m10)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] leica m10)