Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07

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Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (philippe.amard)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:05:22 +0100
References: <266C7104DC716A311EE66EE6@dhcp-71.sql1.isc.org> <3EEB259A48FBE34F98657A8C76CF51B2F9C977@mbx027-w1-ca-1.exch027.domain.local> <43961E2FC74B4CCFBE08A99D2253FE9A@jimnichols>

Mine comes in, but the links in the first line are gone ...
ph

Le 7 d?c. 11 ? 19:53, Jim Nichols a ?crit :

> Bryan,
>
> I was one of those whose mail was blocked, by Carrierzone, though I  
> can't say whether they use the van Riel filter.  Carrierzone  
> furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP.  After two emails failed  
> to get results, and they refused to talk with Brian Reid, I worked  
> through my ISP, who worked with techies further up the line, and,  
> after five days, my mail is coming through once again.
>
> I hope it continues to work properly.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Willman" <bryanwi at bryanwi.com 
> >
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people  
> auto-unsubscribed
>
>
>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and  
>> if litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Brian Reid
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM
>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people  
>> auto-unsubscribed
>>
>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a  
>> lazy
>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik  
>> believes that he
>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and  
>> unfortunately a few
>> ISPs believe him.  Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of  
>> factors to
>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his  
>> spam-finding
>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van  
>> Riel's spam
>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not  
>> possible) then
>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that  
>> depend on his
>> free service.
>>
>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you  
>> can think
>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change  
>> their
>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no  
>> point
>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the  
>> real villains
>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial
>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is  
>> therefore not
>> free.
>>
>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam  
>> nightmares is to
>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam- 
>> control
>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues.
>>
>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this  
>> email, but
>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded  
>> from a
>> friend.
>>
>>
>>
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Replies: Reply from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
In reply to: Message from reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us (Brian Reid) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
Message from bryanwi at bryanwi.com (Bryan Willman) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
Message from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)