Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Philippe, I recall that you were experiencing this problem, but hoped it had been resolved by now. That seems to be a different kind of filter from what I encountered. Good luck. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people auto-unsubscribed > Mine comes in, but the links in the first line are gone ... > ph > > Le 7 d?c. 11 ? 19:53, Jim Nichols a ?crit : > >> Bryan, >> >> I was one of those whose mail was blocked, by Carrierzone, though I >> can't say whether they use the van Riel filter. Carrierzone furnishes >> spam blocking for my local ISP. After two emails failed to get results, >> and they refused to talk with Brian Reid, I worked through my ISP, who >> worked with techies further up the line, and, after five days, my mail >> is coming through once again. >> >> I hope it continues to work properly. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Willman" <bryanwi at bryanwi.com >> > >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >> auto-unsubscribed >> >> >>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if >>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org ] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Brian Reid >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM >>> To: lug at leica-users.org >>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>> auto-unsubscribed >>> >>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a >>> lazy >>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes >>> that he >>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately >>> a few >>> ISPs believe him. Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors >>> to >>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his >>> spam-finding >>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's >>> spam >>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not >>> possible) then >>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend >>> on his >>> free service. >>> >>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can >>> think >>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change >>> their >>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no >>> point >>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real >>> villains >>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial >>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is >>> therefore not >>> free. >>> >>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is >>> to >>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam- >>> control >>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues. >>> >>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, >>> but >>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from >>> a >>> friend. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >