Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/01/25

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Subject: [Leica] Hullo. Leica R Solution - now in video
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:21:26 -0800
References: <629C0AE8-7426-4557-895D-DABEDBA91071@sfr.fr> <C963E6EC.9CA2%mark@rabinergroup.com> <AANLkTi=9BtbsPQgr_5QeL9N9xZyTPZa4BsUN49pYJbdO@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTi=49FYEStp8_2RdFz0jr=ex=RM9iYEigf0CN8SZ@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTimk7fzKx81hXNr54Es3OvDTP3NdBeNkLUEA0sSL@mail.gmail.com>

Well, it is TRUE that in the 1990s a digital M is impossible. An airplane is
impossible in 1800s too.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I was joking about the S2 Geoff.  Stefan should quit and let you sell
> the cool aid, er, I mean advertise Leica.
>
> A lot was said before Stefan became the official spokesperson for the
> company.  I was told twice to my face that a digital M was impossible
> in the mid 1990s.
>
> Marty
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I think that you are safe from seeing an adapter to fit R to S. I'm not
> so
> > sure that many R lens owners regard spending 25 thousand or whatever as a
> > solution to use those lenses anyway!
> >
> > Back on the difficulties with producing a digital M can you imagine what
> the
> > camera would have cost in the earlier days of dSLR's? I think that they
> were
> > tellling the truth at the time with the then current sensor
> > technology/costs.
> >
> > This is historically interesting from Stefan Daniel (pre-M8 actual
> release)
> >
> > .........Beyond that the digital M will have a focal length crop factor
> of
> > 1.33. This technical constraint is necessary because our top priority is
> to
> > deliver the utmost picture quality. Given the optical reality of M lenses
> > and today's state of sensor technology, the ideal solution for our
> > customers, a full-format sensor, would not live up to our high standards.
> > This is particularly true for aspects such as vignetting and sharpness
> from
> > image centre to corner. In this respect we've already reduced the
> thickness
> > of the cover glass and filters located before the sensor to an absolute
> > minimum so that laterally impacting light rays do not cause unwanted
> > calculations. The radius of the micro lenses and their positioning before
> > the sensor was designed in such a way that they channel as much light
> onto
> > the pixel as possible. These measures and others ensure the picture
> quality
> > that one has come to expect from the M system. The crop factor was
> selected
> > so that the same picture angles are maintained - all one has to do is
> take a
> > different lens: a 21mm turns intoa 28mm, a 28 into a 35. Having
> considered
> > our options we are convinced that this is the best solution, in terms of
> > attainable picture quality and - since the costs of a sensor increase
> > exponentially to their size - in terms of the price of a digital M....
> >  Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 25 January 2011 17:36, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The worst thing would be if all they can come up with is an adaptor
> >> for the S2.  I know Leica have said they won't, but they also said
> >> they couldn't make a digital M, then a full-frame digital M . . . and
> >> so many other things.  Lucky I like their cameras and lenses a lot.
> >>
> >> Marty
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > The worst thing could happen they actually do come out with an R10.
> The
> >> we
> >> > have to face the fact that we don't have nine grand USD. Just like
> many
> >> of
> >> > us had to face the fact that we don't have the seven grand for an M9.
> We
> >> > have to be careful what we wish for. Make sure we also wish not just
> for
> >> an
> >> > M9 or R10 but the money to get one us to buy one too.
> >> > Doesn't do me any good with all the other nice photographers shooting
> >> with
> >> > an M9. I need to have one.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --------------------
> >> > Mark William Rabiner
> >> > Photography
> >> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >> > mark at rabinergroup.com
> >> > Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
> >> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:48:39 +0100
> >> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Hullo. Leica R Solution - now in video
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Le 25 janv. 11 ? 04:13, Sonny Carter a ?crit :
> >> >>
> >> >>> Give it up;  we don't need no R10.
> >> >>
> >> >> Give me a dream though ;-)
> >> >> Marylin, Elvis, and the man on the moon were,
> >> >> and still remain for some.
> >> >>
> >> >> Amicalement
> >> >> Philippe
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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