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Subject: [Leica] IMG: My Leica is better than your cell phone
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:29:28 -0400

I'm just going to type this as I just this minute looked up sensor sizes
having checked out the new Panasonic DMC-LX5.
The Dpreview article says your typical point and shoot has a sensor diagonal
or normal lens size of 8mm. (To me that makes the super 8)
The DMC-LX5 by the may be over 10mm. But No ones going to say.
But the Dpreview people say while the P&S shooters might have 8mm for a
normal the cell phone people are using a 4mm.
Is that half?
As a reference I just pulled out a ruler and my pinky fingernail is 9mm's
long. And I have very large hands.

Me I just think of it as having been in the position of being out with a
camera and getting a shot and bringing it home with me and fussing with it
and wishing that I'd taken the trouble to shoot it with a more substantial
camera. As the quality of the image was questionable.
Takes effort to go "click".
Why not have a real camera in your hands while doing so? Is my thought.
That is why I have the only cell phone made with no camera in it.
Keeps me sharp. Keeps me on my toes. I think "camera" I don't pull out my
cell phone.

-- 
Mark William Rabiner
mark at rabinergroup.com


> From: "Peter A. Klein" <pklein at threshinc.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:36:28 -0700
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] IMG: My Leica is better than your cell phone
> 
> A friend took some photos of me with his cellphone at a party I was
> shooting with my M8. The light was a combination of tungsten and
> cloudy-dull window light.
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/Davidov30/IMG00028-20100619-2
> 032.jpg.html>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/Davidov30/IMG00029-20100619-2
> 035.jpg.html>
> 
> And I shot him as he shot me.
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/Davidov30/L1006540-w-1.JPG.ht
> ml>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/Davidov30/L1006542-w-1.JPG.ht
> ml>
> 
> Sorry, folks, no contest.
> 
> Size does matter, up to a point, that point being determined by the size
> you want to print and display, the amount of light available, and
> whether all you care about is recognizable photos of your friends, or
> something more.
> 
> All the talk about "crop circles" has a point, but I think that decent
> 1.5x (APS) and 1.33x (M8) crop sensors and a good, fast lens can give us
> plenty of quality in normal room light. So can Micro 4/3 if you don't
> crop. A cell phone or a small-sensor P&S really can't.
> 
> Put those cameras out in bright sunlight, and some of the differences go
> away, at 4x6 print or Web size.  But for much bigger display, and in
> anything but bright light, the P&S and cell phones don't cut it.  The
> gap between a cell phone or P&S and the M8 is huge. The gap between the
> M8 and M9 is small, but significant, and gets more significant as
> available dark gets darker. The gap between the M9 and say, a D700 is
> big--I'd say bigger than the one between the M8 and the M9, but only
> matters in the worst light.
> 
> --Peter
> 
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