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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library
From: john.nebel at csdco.com (John Nebel)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:54:51 -0600
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Gene,

I didn't intend to exclude anyone from that category, it's all-encompassing 
:)

John

grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:
> I am in the same deranged category as Doug, as I also am very satisfied by 
> the DMR and its images.
> 
> Gene
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Nebel" <john.nebel at csdco.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library
> 
> George,
> 
> 
> Upon rereading the S2 tests and a few other posts on the DPI forums, one 
> sees 
> emotion playing a large role.  It's unsurprising that a part of the 
> fashion 
> industry is quite concerned with fashion. Phase One is in now.  I still 
> think 
> one can conclude that others say, I hesitate to use the phrase "others 
> think", 
> the S2 is a decent camera.  In a sense that's too bad, because I usually 
> prefer 
> ornery contrarianism, however, it's good for Leica.
> 
> I believe Guy Mancuso wrote that he was burned by being an early adopter 
> of the 
> DMR, but then many of Doug Herr's photos appear on a DMR thread 
> illustrating the 
> opposite.
> 
> Overall, I must conclude that everyone is at least mildly deranged.
> 
> John
> 
> George Lottermoser wrote:
>> First impression: I truly wish I could afford any "medium format" 
>> digital solution.
>> I've spent only an hour with a CFV39 on my 500CM and three lenses.
>> This is my only hands-on reference to what the reviewers talk about and 
>> show.
>>
>> Add'l impressions: I see the S2 as being in a class by itself;
>> neither a D[35]SLR nor a medium format modular back;
>> yet a very interesting specialized hybrid.
>>
>> Personally, short of winning a lottery allowing me to own both S2 and 
>> CFV39,
>> I'd go for the modular back because I'd like to also make use of my view 
>> camera system.
>> The work that people currently pay me to do would make far better use of 
>> the modular back.
>> I do product (including macro), architectural interiors, as well as 
>> portrait and event work.
>> I'm sure I could make the S2 work in those venues - but it wouldn't be 
>> ideal.
>> I'm not aware of Leica's plans re: tilt/shift for the S2 - but I'd not 
>> want to spend $30K and wait.
>> Maximum flexibility of the system is what my "jack of all views" 
>> photography requires.
>>
>> If I were a dedicated fashion, wedding or wildlife (again waiting for 
>> long glass) shooter
>> interested in providing medium format quality,
>> I'd have to seriously consider the ergonomics of the S2
>> as being better suited to that work than the modular back systems.
>>
>> As far as the relative image file quality the reviewers discussed:
>> it seems most of that was very much about firmware, post processing 
>> software
>> and glass comparison. The Leica glass is apparently top shelf.
>>
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>
>> On May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Nebel wrote:
>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> I too read them a while back and just reread them.  What are your 
>>> impressions?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>> Thanks John.
>>>> I'd read those reviews back when they first posted them.
>>>> Yet, happy to review them again.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:39 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>>> Here is the link: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12243
>>>>>
>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks John.
>>>>>> I definitely understand scale, slowness and "thoughtfulness"
>>>>>> as they relate to the use of different size camera systems.
>>>>>> Do you find that the S2, while definitely not an R,
>>>>>> is also not a 'blad with digital back.
>>>>>> I'd assume that it lies somewhere between them;
>>>>>> probably slightly closer to the 'blad
>>>>>> in terms of longer focal length and slower lenses.
>>>>>> I'd love to read the reviews you've mentioned a couple times
>>>>>> if you can locate the links.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>>>>> George,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, any camera requires quite a bit of thought, but one selects 
>>>>>>> the things that are worth thinking about.  S2 makes the cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate looking into a big photo and seeing lots of detail, 
>>>>>>> it's life. Howard's trolley picture comes to mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until recently that was more in the large format realm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea that a hand held camera can routinely do this is pretty 
>>>>>>> intriguing. One wants to use it like an R, but it is much slower 
>>>>>>> to work with, however, it doesn't require a Jeep load of equipment 
>>>>>>> like a P2. With thought and practice one could achieve some pretty 
>>>>>>> good flexibility with the S2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did notice that two pros who wrote an S2 review used a tripod, 
>>>>>>> so I'm not going to feel too clumsy for being a slow learner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not a cheap camera, but given its possibilities it is not an 
>>>>>>> expensive camera.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you seen D. Medvedev's short presentation on photography?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.rian.ru/video/20100211/157843279.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>>>> okay John,
>>>>>>>> yet so were all the other Leicas.
>>>>>>>> I assume you're having some fun with the question.
>>>>>>>> Yet, I wonder if you find some of the daimons' design choices
>>>>>>>> actually "?requires quite a bit of thought,"
>>>>>>>> compared to other cameras.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 5:47 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It was designed by camera daimons and one must think the way 
>>>>>>>>> they do to use it properly.
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