Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/05/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I am in the same deranged category as Doug, as I also am very satisfied by the DMR and its images. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nebel" <john.nebel at csdco.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library George, Upon rereading the S2 tests and a few other posts on the DPI forums, one sees emotion playing a large role. It's unsurprising that a part of the fashion industry is quite concerned with fashion. Phase One is in now. I still think one can conclude that others say, I hesitate to use the phrase "others think", the S2 is a decent camera. In a sense that's too bad, because I usually prefer ornery contrarianism, however, it's good for Leica. I believe Guy Mancuso wrote that he was burned by being an early adopter of the DMR, but then many of Doug Herr's photos appear on a DMR thread illustrating the opposite. Overall, I must conclude that everyone is at least mildly deranged. John George Lottermoser wrote: > First impression: I truly wish I could afford any "medium format" > digital solution. > I've spent only an hour with a CFV39 on my 500CM and three lenses. > This is my only hands-on reference to what the reviewers talk about and > show. > > Add'l impressions: I see the S2 as being in a class by itself; > neither a D[35]SLR nor a medium format modular back; > yet a very interesting specialized hybrid. > > Personally, short of winning a lottery allowing me to own both S2 and > CFV39, > I'd go for the modular back because I'd like to also make use of my view > camera system. > The work that people currently pay me to do would make far better use of > the modular back. > I do product (including macro), architectural interiors, as well as > portrait and event work. > I'm sure I could make the S2 work in those venues - but it wouldn't be > ideal. > I'm not aware of Leica's plans re: tilt/shift for the S2 - but I'd not > want to spend $30K and wait. > Maximum flexibility of the system is what my "jack of all views" > photography requires. > > If I were a dedicated fashion, wedding or wildlife (again waiting for > long glass) shooter > interested in providing medium format quality, > I'd have to seriously consider the ergonomics of the S2 > as being better suited to that work than the modular back systems. > > As far as the relative image file quality the reviewers discussed: > it seems most of that was very much about firmware, post processing > software > and glass comparison. The Leica glass is apparently top shelf. > > Regards, > George Lottermoser > george at imagist.com > http://www.imagist.com > http://www.imagist.com/blog > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > > On May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Nebel wrote: > >> George, >> >> I too read them a while back and just reread them. What are your >> impressions? >> >> John >> >> George Lottermoser wrote: >>> Thanks John. >>> I'd read those reviews back when they first posted them. >>> Yet, happy to review them again. >>> Regards, >>> George Lottermoser >>> george at imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:39 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>> Here is the link: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12243 >>>> >>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>> Thanks John. >>>>> I definitely understand scale, slowness and "thoughtfulness" >>>>> as they relate to the use of different size camera systems. >>>>> Do you find that the S2, while definitely not an R, >>>>> is also not a 'blad with digital back. >>>>> I'd assume that it lies somewhere between them; >>>>> probably slightly closer to the 'blad >>>>> in terms of longer focal length and slower lenses. >>>>> I'd love to read the reviews you've mentioned a couple times >>>>> if you can locate the links. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>> George, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, any camera requires quite a bit of thought, but one selects >>>>>> the things that are worth thinking about. S2 makes the cut. >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate looking into a big photo and seeing lots of detail, >>>>>> it's life. Howard's trolley picture comes to mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until recently that was more in the large format realm. >>>>>> >>>>>> The idea that a hand held camera can routinely do this is pretty >>>>>> intriguing. One wants to use it like an R, but it is much slower >>>>>> to work with, however, it doesn't require a Jeep load of equipment >>>>>> like a P2. With thought and practice one could achieve some pretty >>>>>> good flexibility with the S2. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did notice that two pros who wrote an S2 review used a tripod, >>>>>> so I'm not going to feel too clumsy for being a slow learner. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not a cheap camera, but given its possibilities it is not an >>>>>> expensive camera. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you seen D. Medvedev's short presentation on photography? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.rian.ru/video/20100211/157843279.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote: >>>>>>> okay John, >>>>>>> yet so were all the other Leicas. >>>>>>> I assume you're having some fun with the question. >>>>>>> Yet, I wonder if you find some of the daimons' design choices >>>>>>> actually "?requires quite a bit of thought," >>>>>>> compared to other cameras. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 5:47 PM, John Nebel wrote: >>>>>>>> It was designed by camera daimons and one must think the way >>>>>>>> they do to use it properly. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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