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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 18:52:37 -0500 (CDT)

I am in the same deranged category as Doug, as I also am very satisfied by 
the DMR and its images.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nebel" <john.nebel at csdco.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:57:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Canyon Library

George,


Upon rereading the S2 tests and a few other posts on the DPI forums, one 
sees 
emotion playing a large role.  It's unsurprising that a part of the fashion 
industry is quite concerned with fashion. Phase One is in now.  I still 
think 
one can conclude that others say, I hesitate to use the phrase "others 
think", 
the S2 is a decent camera.  In a sense that's too bad, because I usually 
prefer 
ornery contrarianism, however, it's good for Leica.

I believe Guy Mancuso wrote that he was burned by being an early adopter of 
the 
DMR, but then many of Doug Herr's photos appear on a DMR thread illustrating 
the 
opposite.

Overall, I must conclude that everyone is at least mildly deranged.

John

George Lottermoser wrote:
> First impression: I truly wish I could afford any "medium format" 
> digital solution.
> I've spent only an hour with a CFV39 on my 500CM and three lenses.
> This is my only hands-on reference to what the reviewers talk about and 
> show.
> 
> Add'l impressions: I see the S2 as being in a class by itself;
> neither a D[35]SLR nor a medium format modular back;
> yet a very interesting specialized hybrid.
> 
> Personally, short of winning a lottery allowing me to own both S2 and 
> CFV39,
> I'd go for the modular back because I'd like to also make use of my view 
> camera system.
> The work that people currently pay me to do would make far better use of 
> the modular back.
> I do product (including macro), architectural interiors, as well as 
> portrait and event work.
> I'm sure I could make the S2 work in those venues - but it wouldn't be 
> ideal.
> I'm not aware of Leica's plans re: tilt/shift for the S2 - but I'd not 
> want to spend $30K and wait.
> Maximum flexibility of the system is what my "jack of all views" 
> photography requires.
> 
> If I were a dedicated fashion, wedding or wildlife (again waiting for 
> long glass) shooter
> interested in providing medium format quality,
> I'd have to seriously consider the ergonomics of the S2
> as being better suited to that work than the modular back systems.
> 
> As far as the relative image file quality the reviewers discussed:
> it seems most of that was very much about firmware, post processing 
> software
> and glass comparison. The Leica glass is apparently top shelf.
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> On May 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, John Nebel wrote:
> 
>> George,
>>
>> I too read them a while back and just reread them.  What are your 
>> impressions?
>>
>> John
>>
>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>> Thanks John.
>>> I'd read those reviews back when they first posted them.
>>> Yet, happy to review them again.
>>> Regards,
>>> George Lottermoser
>>> george at imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:39 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>> Here is the link: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12243
>>>>
>>>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>> Thanks John.
>>>>> I definitely understand scale, slowness and "thoughtfulness"
>>>>> as they relate to the use of different size camera systems.
>>>>> Do you find that the S2, while definitely not an R,
>>>>> is also not a 'blad with digital back.
>>>>> I'd assume that it lies somewhere between them;
>>>>> probably slightly closer to the 'blad
>>>>> in terms of longer focal length and slower lenses.
>>>>> I'd love to read the reviews you've mentioned a couple times
>>>>> if you can locate the links.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>> On May 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>>>> George,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, any camera requires quite a bit of thought, but one selects 
>>>>>> the things that are worth thinking about.  S2 makes the cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate looking into a big photo and seeing lots of detail, 
>>>>>> it's life. Howard's trolley picture comes to mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until recently that was more in the large format realm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea that a hand held camera can routinely do this is pretty 
>>>>>> intriguing. One wants to use it like an R, but it is much slower 
>>>>>> to work with, however, it doesn't require a Jeep load of equipment 
>>>>>> like a P2. With thought and practice one could achieve some pretty 
>>>>>> good flexibility with the S2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did notice that two pros who wrote an S2 review used a tripod, 
>>>>>> so I'm not going to feel too clumsy for being a slow learner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not a cheap camera, but given its possibilities it is not an 
>>>>>> expensive camera.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you seen D. Medvedev's short presentation on photography?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.rian.ru/video/20100211/157843279.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Lottermoser wrote:
>>>>>>> okay John,
>>>>>>> yet so were all the other Leicas.
>>>>>>> I assume you're having some fun with the question.
>>>>>>> Yet, I wonder if you find some of the daimons' design choices
>>>>>>> actually "?requires quite a bit of thought,"
>>>>>>> compared to other cameras.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 5:47 PM, John Nebel wrote:
>>>>>>>> It was designed by camera daimons and one must think the way 
>>>>>>>> they do to use it properly.
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