Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Did I take that? Hmmm. I don't remember taking that, but I believe you if you think I did. We all shot a LOT of frames with each other's cameras that day. I recall leaving with about 10 rolls of exposed Neopan 400 and several hundred digital frames. What I felt was a slight change in tension, not so much a lack of smoothness or play, but if they've fixed that, I guess I'm just in for another huge hit to the credit card. Someone should tell John Collier too. Marty On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > The focus and limited DoF are what I intended. I agree that this superb > beer > is worthy of its own portrait. > Marty did just that for you at the table that afternoon > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hoppyman/2/tk.jpg.html > > Regarding the feel of the focus rings on this lens and the Summilux 50 > ASPH. > as Marty noted they share a similar design with the floating element to > improve close in performance. > When I first got the Summilux 50 I read the general advice about some of > them having overly firm focus actions. I confess that I cycled the focus > ring many several thousand times, effectively putting years of wear on the > mechanism adjustment. Fast forward two years or so and I was in Solms and > had my M8 upgraded (now sold). > ?The technician offered to check both these lenses and he handed the 50 to > the Customer Service Division Head as well. ?Three seconds operation of the > focus ring and he said, we will fix it. > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/123115387 > > They took both lenses and tested them . "Yyour lenses are good, we can make > them better". Which they did (and for free). The technician explained to me > that it was vital for the best accuracy that there be no discernible play > in > the movement, else focusing to the same point from near to far or vice > versa > may not be perfectly consistent. I can only comment that I'd never noted > any > focus error (except self induced) beforehand but both lenses now are > superb. > Before they serviced the 50 > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/114622564 > > Further to that I cannot detect any change in feel at all through the focus > ranges with either. Maybe time for Marty to try them again ;-) > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > On 17 April 2010 02:16, Robert Meier <robertmeier at usjet.net> wrote: > >> The focus should be on the glass, not her face. >> >> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Marty Deveney wrote: >> >> Ahhh, the paradox. >>> >>> I was sitting next to Geoff when he took this one: >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 and that was where I >>> realised that the 75/2, which I had reviewed a year or so earlier when >>> it came out, really was amazing. ?Making a lens that compact with a >>> floating element is a real design coup. ?Poor Zeiss had to completely >>> redesign their 85/2 because Leica thought their design infringed their >>> patents and being good corporate citizens, Zeiss redesigned the lens. >>> The Zeiss 85 is larger, a bit too large. ?The Leica 75/2 is very nice. >>> >>> But the focus feel bugs me. ?I can feel the tension in the focus ring >>> change when the floating element starts to move and that annoys me. >>> This doesn't happen with my Nikkors, but they are also larger. ?The >>> Summarit is very nice, but I really wanted a lens that focused to 0.7 >>> metre. ?I have the same problem with the 50/1.4 asph. ?For some reason >>> it is less apparent with the 21 and 24 Summiluxes and the 0.95 Nocti. >>> Their floating elements do work differently, but I haven't seen one >>> taken apart to see if the mechanism is different. ?I assume it is. >>> >>> So I still have a 75 Summilux, which visibly shifts focus, >>> particularly on the M8 or M9, which also annoys me. ?It looks amazing >>> when you nail the focus, but it is a bit hit and miss for me, even >>> with a 0.85x finder and a magnifier. >>> >>> So I've worked myself into a corner. ?I don't like to wait and like >>> everyone, I like nice lenses. ?I'd better make a decision soon. >>> >>> Marty >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Everything Geoff writes is correct. I bought his Elmarit 90 and it is a >>>> fine lens, but on the M8 I simply prefer the 75mm focal length. >>>> >>>> As for relative sharpness, it seems to me that the 75 is just a bit >>>> sharper, but then again I do not do lens tests and the 90 is plenty >>>> sharp >>>> too. >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> >>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>> >>>> Scott, I don't know which Emarit you have but the last model >>>> discontinued >>>>> when the Summarit was introduced is extremely good (Nathan's got my >>>>> first >>>>> one and I got another one afterwards). For some reason they never seemd >>>>> to >>>>> attract the same attention as other models, yet the performance is >>>>> right >>>>> up >>>>> there and the used prices seem modest to me. >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/90958365 (M7) >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/91237793 (M7) >>>>> >>>>> I bet that you wouldn't see any practical difference in 'sharpness' >>>>> between >>>>> the two lenses. The Summarit is very well reported too. Keep in mind >>>>> when >>>>> you do your sums that the Summarit does not come standard with its >>>>> screw-on >>>>> hood and hood cap. The Summarit will focus down slightly closer than >>>>> the >>>>> Elmarit M but that one has the slightly higher magnification of course. >>>>> >>>>> If you budget allows, my recommendation is to get the superb APO >>>>> Summicron >>>>> 75 ASPH. A WONDERFUL lens that has it all and does especially well in >>>>> close. >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101180894 (M8) >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119520958 (M9) >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 (M9) >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/118188935 (M9) >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119381979 (M9) >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 April 2010 07:47, Scott Gregory <s_gregory1 at mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nathan, I have been considering selling a chrome 90 elmarit I've had >>>>>> since >>>>>> new and replacing it with the 75 Summarit. I use it on the M8 and >>>>>> perhaps >>>>>> down the road aways, might buy a M9. In your opinion is the 75 >>>>>> Summarit >>>>>> sharper than the 90? I like the idea of a 75 on a full frame sensor >>>>>> for >>>>>> portraits. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >