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Subject: [Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:05:50 +0930
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Did I take that?  Hmmm.  I don't remember taking that, but I believe
you if you think I did.  We all shot a LOT of frames with each other's
cameras that day.  I recall leaving with about 10 rolls of exposed
Neopan 400 and several hundred digital frames.

What I felt was a slight change in tension, not so much a lack of
smoothness or play, but if they've fixed that, I guess I'm just in for
another huge hit to the credit card.  Someone should tell John Collier
too.

Marty



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> The focus and limited DoF are what I intended. I agree that this superb 
> beer
> is worthy of its own portrait.
> Marty did just that for you at the table that afternoon
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hoppyman/2/tk.jpg.html
>
> Regarding the feel of the focus rings on this lens and the Summilux 50 
> ASPH.
> as Marty noted they share a similar design with the floating element to
> improve close in performance.
> When I first got the Summilux 50 I read the general advice about some of
> them having overly firm focus actions. I confess that I cycled the focus
> ring many several thousand times, effectively putting years of wear on the
> mechanism adjustment. Fast forward two years or so and I was in Solms and
> had my M8 upgraded (now sold).
> ?The technician offered to check both these lenses and he handed the 50 to
> the Customer Service Division Head as well. ?Three seconds operation of the
> focus ring and he said, we will fix it.
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/123115387
>
> They took both lenses and tested them . "Yyour lenses are good, we can make
> them better". Which they did (and for free). The technician explained to me
> that it was vital for the best accuracy that there be no discernible play 
> in
> the movement, else focusing to the same point from near to far or vice 
> versa
> may not be perfectly consistent. I can only comment that I'd never noted 
> any
> focus error (except self induced) beforehand but both lenses now are 
> superb.
> Before they serviced the 50
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/114622564
>
> Further to that I cannot detect any change in feel at all through the focus
> ranges with either. Maybe time for Marty to try them again ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 17 April 2010 02:16, Robert Meier <robertmeier at usjet.net> wrote:
>
>> The focus should be on the glass, not her face.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Marty Deveney wrote:
>>
>> Ahhh, the paradox.
>>>
>>> I was sitting next to Geoff when he took this one:
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 and that was where I
>>> realised that the 75/2, which I had reviewed a year or so earlier when
>>> it came out, really was amazing. ?Making a lens that compact with a
>>> floating element is a real design coup. ?Poor Zeiss had to completely
>>> redesign their 85/2 because Leica thought their design infringed their
>>> patents and being good corporate citizens, Zeiss redesigned the lens.
>>> The Zeiss 85 is larger, a bit too large. ?The Leica 75/2 is very nice.
>>>
>>> But the focus feel bugs me. ?I can feel the tension in the focus ring
>>> change when the floating element starts to move and that annoys me.
>>> This doesn't happen with my Nikkors, but they are also larger. ?The
>>> Summarit is very nice, but I really wanted a lens that focused to 0.7
>>> metre. ?I have the same problem with the 50/1.4 asph. ?For some reason
>>> it is less apparent with the 21 and 24 Summiluxes and the 0.95 Nocti.
>>> Their floating elements do work differently, but I haven't seen one
>>> taken apart to see if the mechanism is different. ?I assume it is.
>>>
>>> So I still have a 75 Summilux, which visibly shifts focus,
>>> particularly on the M8 or M9, which also annoys me. ?It looks amazing
>>> when you nail the focus, but it is a bit hit and miss for me, even
>>> with a 0.85x finder and a magnifier.
>>>
>>> So I've worked myself into a corner. ?I don't like to wait and like
>>> everyone, I like nice lenses. ?I'd better make a decision soon.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everything Geoff writes is correct. I bought his Elmarit 90 and it is a
>>>> fine lens, but on the M8 I simply prefer the 75mm focal length.
>>>>
>>>> As for relative sharpness, it seems to me that the 75 is just a bit
>>>> sharper, but then again I do not do lens tests and the 90 is plenty 
>>>> sharp
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>
>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Scott, I don't know which Emarit you have but the last model 
>>>> discontinued
>>>>> when the Summarit was introduced is extremely good (Nathan's got my
>>>>> first
>>>>> one and I got another one afterwards). For some reason they never seemd
>>>>> to
>>>>> attract the same attention as other models, yet the performance is 
>>>>> right
>>>>> up
>>>>> there and the used prices seem modest to me.
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/90958365 (M7)
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/91237793 (M7)
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet that you wouldn't see any practical difference in 'sharpness'
>>>>> between
>>>>> the two lenses. The Summarit is very well reported too. Keep in mind
>>>>> when
>>>>> you do your sums that the Summarit does not come standard with its
>>>>> screw-on
>>>>> hood and hood cap. The Summarit will focus down slightly closer than 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Elmarit M but that one has the slightly higher magnification of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you budget allows, my recommendation is to get the superb APO
>>>>> Summicron
>>>>> 75 ASPH. A WONDERFUL lens that has it all and does especially well in
>>>>> close.
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101180894 (M8)
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119520958 (M9)
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 (M9)
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/118188935 (M9)
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119381979 (M9)
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 April 2010 07:47, Scott Gregory <s_gregory1 at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan, I have been considering selling a chrome 90 elmarit I've had
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> new and replacing it with the 75 Summarit. I use it on the M8 and
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> down the road aways, might buy a M9. In your opinion is the 75 
>>>>>> Summarit
>>>>>> sharper than the 90? I like the idea of a 75 on a full frame sensor 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> portraits.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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