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Subject: [Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:16:22 -0500 (CDT)
References: <149154731978312752334976821763000514463-Webmail@me.com> <162966731575485035816048575106874570466-Webmail@me.com> <s2u36172e5a1004151722m79422551g8764da3fb6a486a3@mail.gmail.com> <43BF321A-7034-4058-AC2E-63ACC42ADBE0@frozenlight.eu> <t2jee8fa51c1004160236w78e74436m648cefc817d39adc@mail.gmail.com>

The focus should be on the glass, not her face.

On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Marty Deveney wrote:

> Ahhh, the paradox.
>
> I was sitting next to Geoff when he took this one:
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 and that was where I
> realised that the 75/2, which I had reviewed a year or so earlier when
> it came out, really was amazing.  Making a lens that compact with a
> floating element is a real design coup.  Poor Zeiss had to completely
> redesign their 85/2 because Leica thought their design infringed their
> patents and being good corporate citizens, Zeiss redesigned the lens.
> The Zeiss 85 is larger, a bit too large.  The Leica 75/2 is very nice.
>
> But the focus feel bugs me.  I can feel the tension in the focus ring
> change when the floating element starts to move and that annoys me.
> This doesn't happen with my Nikkors, but they are also larger.  The
> Summarit is very nice, but I really wanted a lens that focused to 0.7
> metre.  I have the same problem with the 50/1.4 asph.  For some reason
> it is less apparent with the 21 and 24 Summiluxes and the 0.95 Nocti.
> Their floating elements do work differently, but I haven't seen one
> taken apart to see if the mechanism is different.  I assume it is.
>
> So I still have a 75 Summilux, which visibly shifts focus,
> particularly on the M8 or M9, which also annoys me.  It looks amazing
> when you nail the focus, but it is a bit hit and miss for me, even
> with a 0.85x finder and a magnifier.
>
> So I've worked myself into a corner.  I don't like to wait and like
> everyone, I like nice lenses.  I'd better make a decision soon.
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman  
> <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>> Everything Geoff writes is correct. I bought his Elmarit 90 and it  
>> is a fine lens, but on the M8 I simply prefer the 75mm focal length.
>>
>> As for relative sharpness, it seems to me that the 75 is just a  
>> bit sharper, but then again I do not do lens tests and the 90 is  
>> plenty sharp too.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, I don't know which Emarit you have but the last model  
>>> discontinued
>>> when the Summarit was introduced is extremely good (Nathan's got  
>>> my first
>>> one and I got another one afterwards). For some reason they never  
>>> seemd to
>>> attract the same attention as other models, yet the performance  
>>> is right up
>>> there and the used prices seem modest to me.
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/90958365 (M7)
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/91237793 (M7)
>>>
>>> I bet that you wouldn't see any practical difference in  
>>> 'sharpness' between
>>> the two lenses. The Summarit is very well reported too. Keep in  
>>> mind when
>>> you do your sums that the Summarit does not come standard with  
>>> its screw-on
>>> hood and hood cap. The Summarit will focus down slightly closer  
>>> than the
>>> Elmarit M but that one has the slightly higher magnification of  
>>> course.
>>>
>>> If you budget allows, my recommendation is to get the superb APO  
>>> Summicron
>>> 75 ASPH. A WONDERFUL lens that has it all and does especially  
>>> well in close.
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101180894 (M8)
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119520958 (M9)
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/101824440 (M9)
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/118188935 (M9)
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/119381979 (M9)
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 April 2010 07:47, Scott Gregory <s_gregory1 at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nathan, I have been considering selling a chrome 90 elmarit I've  
>>>> had since
>>>> new and replacing it with the 75 Summarit. I use it on the M8  
>>>> and perhaps
>>>> down the road aways, might buy a M9. In your opinion is the 75  
>>>> Summarit
>>>> sharper than the 90? I like the idea of a 75 on a full frame  
>>>> sensor for
>>>> portraits.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit)
In reply to: Message from s_gregory1 at mac.com (Scott Gregory) ([Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit)
Message from benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney) ([Leica] Wow, the last word on Bokeh, from Zeiss now 75mm Summarit)