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Subject: [Leica] Wartime experiences
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:30:05 -0700
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Sure, though out of deference to the Salon Keeper, it should be done in the 
Forum.
S.d.


On Apr 2, 2010, at 3:22 PM, A. Lal wrote:

> Questions below
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov at 
> charter.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Wartime experiences
> 
> 
>> I stand on the opposite side of this issue, and not too far from the Sony 
>> radio reaction, when it comes to Germany.
>> I still see the focus on individuals and organizations as a form of alibi.
>> Sometime ago, I called attention to the role of Central European entities 
>> to some of the current adventurism >and bogus rehabilitations.
> 
> Slobodan, would you mind elaboration on these points for those of us not 
> familiar with "focus on individuals and organizations as a form of alibi" 
> and "current adventurism and bogus rehabilitations."?
> 
>> I was publicly attacked by a semi official arm of the German government 
>> as a hateful person based on my >ethnicity.
>> Mind you, I never identified myself as anything other than an American 
>> veteran. After I did some
>> cursory research, I found out that the writer was from the German embassy 
>> in Mexico CIty, one of their >largest missions in the world.
>> You figure out why!
> 
> Sorry to say I am clueless. Details please.
> 
>> I went to the Jewish Federation, here in LA, for advice
> >on a response. They got a chuckle out of it, as did I, and told me it 
> >would be pointless to get into a spitting >contest with them. So I left 
> >enough alone. But it was a reminder that the Balkan Spiel in still in 
> >play at >Berlin, well in to the late 20th century, and into this one.
>> S.d.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>> 
>>> This hits very close to home. My father lost most of his extended family 
>>> during the Holocaust and spent the years 1943-45 killing as many German 
>>> soldiers as possible. His war ended on VE-Day in Bernau, 35 km from 
>>> Berlin.
>>> 
>>> Yet, he never advocated collective guilt. His first wife was German. We 
>>> visited Germany frequently during my childhood and adolescence, and 
>>> today I am very comfortable there. The Germany of today has nothing to 
>>> do with the Germany of the 1930s.
>>> 
>>> If you want to pick on a country, pick on Japan whose leaders still feel 
>>> obliged to make annual visits to a shrine which commemorates war 
>>> criminals.
>>> 
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>> 
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Frank writes:
>>>> "My cousin bought a little Sony portable radio in the 60s with the money
>>>> earned on his paper round. My uncle smashed it to tiny pieces using his
>>>> hammer, and gave him the money..."
>>>> - - - - -
>>>> I am a Korean War vet and I absolutely refuse to buy anything made in 
>>>> North
>>>> Korea. Not that I have had much opportunity to buy North Korean goods. 
>>>> South
>>>> Korea is OK. My parents, who lost relatives in the holocaust were 
>>>> appalled
>>>> that I bought a German made Leica until I told them about the Leitz 
>>>> "Freedom
>>>> Train." However I still feel uneasy about visiting Germany. Emotional 
>>>> scars
>>>> last a long time.
>>>> Larry Z
>>>> 
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Replies: Reply from alal at poly.edu (A. Lal) ([Leica] Wartime experiences)
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Message from alal at poly.edu (A. Lal) ([Leica] Wartime experiences)