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Subject: [Leica] Tape back up for photographers
From: shino at panix.com (Rei Shinozuka)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:01:22 -0400
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Is tape good nowadays?  Back in the 80's I used to use QIC drives and 
tapes on Sun equipment and Motorola SBCs but I never felt comfortable 
with QIC.  They worked, but with a batting average similar to floppy 
drives.  Sometimes they just didn't read, so if something was important, 
you made 2 backups.  Eventually, we got a 9-track 6250  and that was 
reliable.  Years later, I tried Exabyte helicals, and I thought they 
were pretty fussy, like the QICs.

(Nowadays I just back up to files on a USB-mounted drive in a Venus 
enclosure, but of course, ultimate size of the output file cannot exceed 
1.5 or 2 TB.  )

-rei


On 03/24/2010 06:29 PM, John Nebel wrote:
> Spencer,
>
> The lifetime for LTO4 tapes appears to be 200 complete tape writes, 30 
> years storage.  Now that LTO5 is available, LTO4 drive prices are 
> dropping. LTO4 media cost about $30.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTO4
>
> John
>
> Spencer Cheng wrote:
>> John, (& Dennis),
>>
>> Suppose you are a working pro like Tina, Leo or Ted, or..., and you 
>> have a gazillion digital photos, what 
>
> would you buy for tape backups? Assume that it has to work with a PC 
> and a Mac, though not at the same time.
>>
>> How reliable are these tapes? How frequently do they have to be 
>> replaced? How often do the content have to 
>
> checked? What S/W should they use? Is there a recommended backup 
> schedule?
>>
>> I've came across cases where the tape drive was flakey and the tape 
>> was blank. I also seen tape drive s/w 
>
> that generates hundreds of (transient?) errors when I worked for a 
> small company and we used tapes for backups.
>>
>> More fodder for the wiki but I think this is useful information to 
>> capture because once one data needs 
>
> exceed 2TB, commodity NASes becomes a bit of a dead end. Even my home 
> brew NAS becomes less useful once it
>
> gets to >3TB. Having a stack of NASes is no better than a stack of 
> external disks (or a very large stack of DVD-R).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Spencer
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:52, John Nebel wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Relevant to the LUG:  Given the high value of photographic images, 
>>> and low cost of media and a PC internal tape drive, tape archiving 
>>> is cost-effective.  There can be many backup copies and tapes may be 
>>> kept in multiple locations.
>>>
>>> Disk redundancy is essential, but one must do both.
>>
>>
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