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Subject: [Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?
From: passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:56:34 -0500
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That's what all my Italian relatives tell me; they don't get my Irish side.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Vince Passaro <passaro.vince at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Mark --
> >
> > I wasn't rappping Leica at all, and I am probably less interested in
> bokeh
> > than anyone on the list; I think it's the microbrewery-zone of
> photography,
> > totally overrated, inclined toward the sweet and pretty. Its qualities
> > certainly do not determine a good photograph. In short, I don't give a
> crap
> > about bokeh.
> >
> > My point was meant to be a larger aesthetic one, to the effect that we
> > might
> > have crossed some line technologically where the physical technical
> > capacities of the art form (photography in this case, but it has happened
> > in
> > many ways in other forms as well) now exceed the intention of the artist
> > and
> > the generally accepted intentions of artists traditionally. Which is why
> I
> > suggested that for intimate scenes and street scenes I suspect I would
> like
> > these lenses better in black and white: this is an argument in favor of
> the
> > gesture that evokes the whole; in favor of a little bit of abstraction
> over
> > the hyper-perfect rendition.  You are practical: you want the best tool
> > available, and these certainly are the best and I wouldn't argue that for
> a
> > second. I love sharpness in a photograph; but I'm accustomed to b&w film
> > mainly... And as I noted, when taking a wider view these lenses to me eye
> > are at their very best. But to see a street scene in color produced by an
> > M9
> > (or any other really top rate digital camera)  in combination with an
> ASPH
> > lens is to see a photograph that is now working outside its seemingly
> > intended genre. Part of photography's magic for me has always resided in
> > its seeing as we see, only a little better, or I should say, smarter,
> which
> > is to say, with a frame; and permanently instead of passingly.  But the
> way
> > these lenses see the world is no longer evocative of how we see it and so
> > the technology borders on the sentimental, if misapplied (broadly put,
> not
> > how things are but how we wish them to be, in this case, perfectly
> outlined
> > and detailed); which is why I said 'pornographic', for pornography is
> > usually a vulgar sentimentalizing of the purely visual in the erotic.
> >
> > I'm sorry to anser at such length but answering is my way of thinking.
> >
> > V
> >
>
>
> You think too much.
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> http://sonc.stumbleupon.com/
> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> (+31.754164,-093.099080)
>
> USA
>
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In reply to: Message from pklein at threshinc.com (Peter Klein) ([Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?)
Message from passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro) ([Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?)
Message from sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter) ([Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?)