Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/02/27

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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:07:38 -0800
References: <C7AE5726.5E444%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:59 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

>> That they look at name only regardless of actual quality. (has more money
>> than brains, lol) Doing so won't hurt your image quality, Leica lenses are
>> all top-level, but it will cost you a lot more if there is a cheaper
>> alternative that is just as good or nearly so. If you can afford it, 
>> you're
>> safe buying only Leica. If not, you have choices of the CV stuff or the
>> Zeiss stuff. Some of it is very good.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-424-0897
> 
> 
> Chris it doesn't look to me like you are looking very hard at what makes a
> lens be a lens at one price point, and what makes a lens be at another.
> The least of it is would seem to me to be lens design.
> Its choice of materials. Glass types.
> Amount made and by which method made.
> Tolerances and care in which they are made which  means:
> quality control (QC?)
> And a one thousand dollar lens is many price points apart from a 3 
> thousand.
> You think its going to be minor differences I'd call that very wishful
> thinking. A huge blurring of basic logic and common sense
> The "You get what you pay for" rule actually does also apply to lenes which
> go on cameras. If there is an exception to that rule I'm afraid camera 
> lenes
> do not happen to be it.
> 
> When I shot nikon in the 80's and 90's and I got a job and If needed
> something wide I blew a few hundred bucks on a lens and the job would pay
> for it.
> When I went Leica I shot with a 50 for a year and saved a whole year till I
> could afford a 90. Basically it took me a year  to get any lens for my 
> Leica
> M system. Ten years got  me ten lenes.
> Worth it. Worth the wait.
> But now on the lug we get our bodies and we want to buy and sell lenes on a
> whim like we did with cheaper systems.
> And we do becaue we can. Third party glass made to an entirely different
> price point. I say have fun with it. But don't fool yourself into thinking
> its the same as a Leica or even close.
> 
> A camera is a life support system for its lens line.
> Leicas are used by people who would be rather be using SLR's and DSLR s.
> But use Leica becaue it is simply by far the best 35mm glass made.
> Despite the crazy rangefinder.
> Spend big money on a camrea body and put cheap glass in front of it I'd 
> call
> that foolish.
> Put your money in glass. If you have any left over. Get a camera.
> It'll keep your film dark. Its that simple.


Mark,  I finally have to ask....

with all of your expertise, taste, experience, strong opinions, and great 
lenses...  
why are you using cheap Nikon glass on a cheap cropped Nikon body?


Steve


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