Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/02/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks Jim..., we never know..., historycally it seems that Isabel was help much more than Ferdinand, I've read that Maquiavelo was inspired on the person of Ferdinand to write "The princep", he was a man more "political and intrigant", Isabel was agreat woman very decided an a great volontee and charachter. Ceers Lluis El 26/02/2010, a las 0:49, Jim Nichols escribi?: > Thanks, Lluis. A nice history lesson. And, without Ferdinand and > Isabella, Christopher Columbus would have been just another sailor. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lluis Ripoll Querol" > <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com > > > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] About Pizza > > >> Hi Larry, >> >> I've found very iteresting your historical references to the origin >> of the Pizza. Here in Catalonia we have also some founded >> hypothesis about the origin with some historical prouves. The >> Sicilia and Napples regions was conquered by the king of Catalonia >> and Aragon and many catalan people has invaded the Napples Region, >> here you have a short historical reference: >> >> "History: >> The union of the two territories of Catalonia and Aragon was caused >> by the marriage of Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona and >> Petronila of Aragon, later Queen of Aragon. This merged the County >> of Barcelona with the Kingdom of Aragon under the name of "Crown >> of Aragon". Their son, Alfonso II, inherited both titles. This >> union was made while respecting the existing institutions of both >> places. This situation was maintained until the abolition of the >> state, beginning 18th century. >> >> The king, James I (13th century), conquered new territories and >> incorporated Majorca and the region of Valencia to the state. >> Valencia was made a new kingdom with its own institutions, and so >> the third member of the confederation. Majorca, together with the >> counties of Cerdanya and Roussillon and the city of Montpellier, >> were given to his son James and were named Kingdom of Majorca, but >> these territories were reincorporated in year 1349. >> >> The expansion through Mediterranean sea continued (Sicily, Minorca, >> Sardinia). In 1410 king Martin I dies without descendants. This >> caused Ferdinand of Antequera, from the Castilian dynasty of >> Trastamara, to be made king of the Crown of Aragon. >> >> In year 1443, Naples was conquered. Later Ferdinand II of Aragon >> recovered the northern catalan counties and married queen Isabella >> I of Castile in 1479. However, Castile and the Crown of Aragon >> remained as different states keeping their own institutions and >> laws. >> >> The Crown of Aragon was abolished after the War of the Spanish >> Succession (1702?1713)." >> >> The the region of Lleida (Lerida in Spanish) was a very poor >> region, and the people of the region was eating a certain cooked >> bread with some vegetables that they had possibility to collect, >> on such times it doesn't exist "rich" elements as anchovies >> etc...., this food is still existing in Catalonia, the name is >> "Coca de recapte", possibly the origin of the pizza. The catalan >> sailors in Napple was ungry and they have prepared to eat what >> they was doing in his original country, after this was developped >> succesfully by the italians and with an excellent marketing in >> USA, the pizza. >> >> Hernando del Pulgar was one of the historiciens man who has writed >> about the ceremony of "Los Reyes Catolicos" : Isabel de Castilla >> and Fernando de Aragon (Aragon & Catalonia was on the same >> kingdom) was married :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_I_of_Castile >> and he relates something that coud be a prouve that existing "coca >> de recapte", they said that this had the appearance like a cake, >> but not sweet, it was salad with vegetables. >> >> Here you have several images of the Coca de Recapte: >> >> http://images.google.com/images?hl=es&client=safari&rls=en&resnum=0&q=coca+de+recapte&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=cQeHS8GhDZDQjAeqy8irDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CBsQsAQwAw >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/y9mxqyz >> >> >> I found this a very interesting and probably certain history, many >> regions and cultures has on their own origines similar food, >> >> I hope you found it intersting, thanks for reading >> >> Saludos cordiales >> Lluis ....(the Catalan) >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ >> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll >> Blog: >> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> El 25/02/2010, a las 21:30, Lawrence Zeitlin escribi?: >> >>> About Pizza - it is as American as Fortune Cookies. >>> >>> >>> The pizza that the world knows and loves is basically an Italian/ >>> American >>> invention and owes relatively little but the name to the >>> Neapolitan variety. >>> At least that's a personal observation. A year prior to the >>> outbreak of WW2 >>> my family spent a couple of months in Naples, allegedly for a >>> vacation but >>> really to help my uncle Max wind up his affairs and immigrate to >>> the US. >>> Uncle Max was the cantor in one of the larger Jewish synagogues in >>> Naples, >>> an odd job for a Russian Jew. As a young man he had studied for >>> the opera >>> stage in Russia prior to the revolution. When he left, one jump >>> ahead of the >>> Bolsheviks, he moved to Italy to continue his studies. As one of >>> the few >>> singers who could read Hebrew, he gravitated to the synagogue and >>> stayed >>> there for 20 years. Even in shul the Italians appreciated good >>> singing. >>> >>> My family stayed in his apartment in a lower middle class section >>> of Naples. >>> His wife wouldn't cook on the sabbath so my brother and I would buy >>> something to eat from the vendor across the street, usually >>> pizza. As I >>> recall it was a wedge of flat bread drizzled with olive oil with >>> some garlic >>> and herbs on top. No cheese, no pepperoni, no anchovies. Just bread. >>> >>> It wasn't until I moved to New York half a century later that I >>> got the real >>> story. Pizza, as we know it, was invented by the Italian >>> immigrants about >>> 1900. They took the traditional Neapolitan pizza and added all the >>> goodies >>> that were too expensive in Italy. First the tomato sauce, then the >>> cheese, >>> finally the meat toppings. Fuel was cheap enough so that you >>> could keep a >>> pizza oven hot all day and make pizza to order. Thank God. I hated >>> the >>> Neapolitan stuff. It might have been healthier but it left my >>> mouth all >>> oily. >>> >>> Fortune cookies were invented in Brooklyn, NY. >>> >>> >>> Larry Z >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information