Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Robert Meier wrote: > Ted, > > You're approaching this as a subjective matter, what your experience is > and what it seems like to you. That's of course completely legitimate. > But it has been presented as an objective matter of timing the shutter > lag, a matter of milliseconds rather than a matter of feelings. That, of > course, is also entirely legitimate, and is a different way of approaching > it. The objective approach deals in observable and measurable facts, not > feelings. So it's not surprising that conclusions differ. that is certainly very true Bob, but events take time, and if the delay time while measurably different, is tiny comared to the event, than the conclusion while valid, is of no consequence, is it not like measuring the distance to the moon, and arguing about plus or minus 10 feet... Steve > > Robert > > On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:33 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Gary Todoroff offered interesting testimomial. However, are we not >> talking about two different camera systems? >> >> One, the M8-9 rangefinder camera with nothing flipping up and down? >> Compared to an SLR of some kind with flipping mirrors and whatever extra >> screens that move about? Is that not correct? Different systems? >> >> My gut feeling is the more things to go click-clack in the night as the >> shutter is released the greater the opportunity for LAG-TIME to occur? I >> can understand a lag time occurring. But the M8-9 is camera to eye, quick >> focus.... click! Done! And if there is a delay I don't doubt these are as >> much human reactions involved in what the photographer sees and by the >> time his nervous system creates pressure on finger tip to push click! >> >> And this with the minds eye re-calling "just the moment" seen compared to >> the taken image. If one is experiencing this regularly here's a tip how >> to speed your tripping and nervous system up. >> >> Stand on the side of a highway and focus on the front of on coming >> traffic and do this until you can get 36 rams in a row sharply in focus. >> It works! As it's an old training exercise I have always done for years >> before going to cover world international sports events as tee Olympics. >> You will be surprised how much faster you become in "SEE-SHOOT-SHARP!" >> >> So far with my M8 I have absolutely no sense of so-called milli-second >> lost moment of what I saw and reacted to faster than I breath and my >> heart beats. This is why I put as much of the LAG-TIME back on the >> shoulders of the photographer than blaming the camera. Meaured or >> otherwise, we humans see and shoot or don't shoot as fast as some of us >> think we do. >> >> And this is why over the years I have consistently offered.... "YOU CAN'T >> THINK AND SHOOT!" Nor can you think and bat in baseball as Yogi Berra >> offered. There isn't any question, we as humans time measured or >> otherwise, have different see-shoot nerve systems of re-action time and >> this little nerve triggering system is what make great sports >> photographers better than 99% of all others. Their nerve system >> re-action. >> >> I trust this is somewhere along the lines of your thoughts and experience. >> >> But from this side of the screen I can honestly say I have never >> experienced this phenomena knowingly with an M8 or M9. >> >> cheers, >> ted >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information