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Subject: [Leica] Oatmeal revisited
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:05:25 -0800
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On Jan 14, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> Spencer,
> We have done it every day of our lives, nothing cooked in an electric
> cooker, steam-cooked as it has been done for time immemorial down
> here, and rice from the fields - no preservatives, no processing.
> Everyone I know eats leftover rice - in fact it is called "payedi" or
> "old", and is considered healthier than freshly cooked rice, and
> traditionally eaten mixed with natural yoghurt (again home-made daily,
> no processed stuff). I, too, am hearing about this things for the
> first time! I can only think it must be caused by processing of one
> sort or the other.


Bacillus cereus and then the toxins that it makes, is the cause... this 
organism  is found naturally in many crops/foods, but is not generally 
introduced by processing. It's a spore former, high enough heat can kill the 
organism and inactivate the toxins...

please see the answer to Spencer...

http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/science/data-sheets/bacillus-cereus.pdf

I'd love to hear more about how it is avoided,


Steve


> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Spencer Cheng <spencer at aotera.org> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:07, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>> as they say... B. cereus   (Bacillus cereus)... rice is a major player, 
>>> ways to get it, ways to avoid it....cook it hot enough, eat it, don't 
>>> store it, don't reuse it....
>> [...]
>>> http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/consumers/food-safety-topics/foodborne-illnesses/safe-cooling-of-cooked-rice/index.htm
>> 
>> Interesting. I have eaten a lot of rice. Pretty well all of it cooked in 
>> an electric rice cooker (before the keep warm feature) and plenty of 
>> leftover rice cooled to room temperature and kept in the fridge for 
>> several days for making fried rice. Never experienced these symptoms. 
>> Must have gotten lucky I guess. I never head of this kind of food 
>> contamination amongst all my Chinese relatives and friends.
>> 
>> To throw out left over rice is to waste food. It's just not done.
>> 
>> George, I like Tiger brand. It's what we use at home. The same one for 
>> the last 15 years. For 2 people, a 5 cup model is plenty big. Features? 
>> Turns on manually and turns off automatically when done. Nothing else 
>> really matter.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Spencer
>> 
>> 
>> 
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